An old question

Well, the creationists scientific community generally speculates that the dinosaurs were wiped out by the Genisis deluge, which also buried them in enough massive silt deposits to create the impression that they were much longer ago then they really were.

Then, with some representatives of the 'dinosaur kind' having survived on the Ark, the new, post-deluge conditions of the world (much lower atmosheric pressure, for one thing) caused them to dwindle and die off over a period of time.

Job, generally accepted as one of the oldest books of the Bible, seems to make reference to monstrous animals which could be dinosaurs, though many say ther are just alligators and hippo's. Do a Bible search for 'leviathan' and see if it sounds like an alligator or hippo to you....

Eric
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TCWalt Sergeant Posts: 191 (2/19/03 12:33 pm) Reply	An old question Ok, I am positive I asked this question before but I couldn't find the old post and frankly even when I did ask this, I didn't get an answer that well..I understood. Ok the question is...how do we as christians explain the dinosaurs...I have never found indication of them in the Bible (did I miss something?), I understand scientists like to date them back MANY years but I don't get it, how does that fit into the chronology of the Bible? Christie
Kaze9999 friend Posts: 1015 (2/19/03 3:53 pm) Reply	Re: An old question Well, the creationists scientific community generally speculates that the dinosaurs were wiped out by the Genisis deluge, which also buried them in enough massive silt deposits to create the impression that they were much longer ago then they really were. Then, with some representatives of the 'dinosaur kind' having survived on the Ark, the new, post-deluge conditions of the world (much lower atmosheric pressure, for one thing) caused them to dwindle and die off over a period of time. Job, generally accepted as one of the oldest books of the Bible, seems to make reference to monstrous animals which could be dinosaurs, though many say ther are just alligators and hippo's. Do a Bible search for 'leviathan' and see if it sounds like an alligator or hippo to you.... Eric --------------Just a signature------------------------ Genesis {33:19} He said, "I will make all my goodness pass before you, and will proclaim the name of Yahweh before you. I will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will show mercy on whom I will show mercy." Romans {9:20} But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed ask him who formed it, "Why did you make me like this?" {9:21} Or hasn't the potter a right over the clay, from the same lump to make one part a vessel for honor, and another for dishonor? Steven Brust {Phoenix} A god is someone who isn't bound by natural laws, and who can morally commit an action which would be immoral for someone who wasn't a god. Which Peanuts Character Are You Quiz
Dualhunter Second Lieutenant Posts: 508 (2/19/03 6:47 pm) Reply	Re: An old question Check these out: www.answersingenesis.org www.christiananswers.net
SirNukes Cow Master Posts: 2054 (2/19/03 8:44 pm) Reply	Re: An old question Well, if she wanted to search the net and get answers from people she doesn't know, I'm sure that was in her power. Basically, what Kaze said is the creationist explanation. Also, as he pointed out, whether or not the Bible mentions dinasaurs is not clear, and it very well might. If you don't like our explanations, feel free to say so and we'll try to do better. -Brent
TCWalt Sergeant Posts: 192 (2/20/03 11:32 am) Reply	Re: An old question Ok, perhaps I wanted your own personal opinions. I have read tons of books on the "scientific" explanations of dinosaurs, with all the different reasons they no longer exist and the time frame they perhaps did exist, etc. But as a Christian, I believe in the Lord, obviously, and the Bible, but I can't explain how a dinosaur, even if we take away the time frame that dinosaurs did not live millions of years ago...I doubt they could have lived with humans, with their size? So how do we as Christians explain that The Lord made the earth...then put humans (i.e. 2 of them) here and now years later we find dinosaur ruins which are at least pretty darn old..right? It is my one existence question, everything else is just plain faith. I am going to go to the listed websites, after I post, but still was wondering what all of your personal opinions are? Christie
SirNukes Cow Master Posts: 2058 (2/20/03 11:48 am) Reply	Re: An old question Well, mankind living with dinasaurs is not exactly something I get caught up on. There are, after all, rather large creatures around today (elephants, whales, whatever), and we live just fine. It's not like the dinasaurs and humans lived in the same cave or anything. =p Same Earth, yes, but the Earth is a big place. Also, I'm not sure if you've read about it, but many creationists think that people were much taller then that today, with the denser atmosphere, lower radiation levels from the sun, and generally better environment. Not that it matters, but if you are thinking we were ants compaired to the dinasasurs, I'm thinking we were more like cats. =p Anyway, what are your specific problems with the idea of us and dinasaurs living together for however long a period of time? As for dating, it should be noted that there are a lot of problems with it which make it unreliable. Dating is a best guess type of thing, and, with any guess, the best one depends on the bias of the person doing the dating. Respond when you like. -Brent
Dualhunter Second Lieutenant Posts: 509 (2/20/03 7:27 pm) Reply	Re: An old question Before the fall, there were no carnivores and it seems to have stayed that way for the most part until after the flood ("Every moving thing that is alive shall be food for you; I give all to you, as I gave the green plant. - Genesis 9:3 NASB). There have been some eating of fish and it is certainly possible that the early carnivores survived on fish as there probably would have been fish trapped in shrinking pools left over after the flood. As the animals from the ark multiplied and the "fish pools" disappeared, the carnivores would have gone after other food. You also have to remember that many dinosaurs have been over glorified by evolutionist. The T-Rex is one example as its teeth are too long for the short roots it has, if it went after living dinosaurs it would quickly lose its teeth. Its serated teeth would have been good for slicing into mellons and stuff like that and after the flood it may have fed on carrion which tends to be softer than fresh meat.
Kaze9999 friend Posts: 1018 (2/20/03 8:57 pm) Reply	Re: An old question Oklay, TC! I misunderstood your question and was trying to give a fairly objective and general answer. My personal opinions are often pretty off the wall, so I tend to stick with sharing objective stuff in the interest of not scaring people. I should also disclaim, that I have lots of opinions, but most of them are not 'gospel' to me, just sort of my leaning on things.... So, anyway, I personally lean towards a total acceptance of the young-earth creationist position. I tend to imagine the model of 'dinosaur earth' as haveing been created 10 to 6 thousand years ago with a water vapor canopy in the atmosphere and much more underground water as well. I tend to believe that the air pressure at sea level was about double what it is now, thus allowing much larger creatures to be able to breath despite a circulatory system that seems inadequate in the fossile record, and allowing the flying/gliding creatures from the fossile record to generate more lift with the apparently inadequate wing spans they have. I believe that men and women lived side by side with dinosaurs, and that both were very long-lived. I believe that dinosaurs took a very long time to grow as large as we see in the fossile record, and were mostly vegetarian. I believe that Job was based on actual events that happened within a century or two of the world-deluge, and that it refers to actual dinosaurs that were not yet completely extinct. I am not even 100% sure that they are all extinct now, though I do not believe that Loch Ness or that supposed pleisaur body that the Japanese fishing trawler found are 'for real'. [b]But[/b] I do not believe that any of that has to be right or that anyone has to believe it in order to be a 'real' Christian. Is that more what you were wondering? Eric --------------Just a signature------------------------ Genesis {33:19} He said, "I will make all my goodness pass before you, and will proclaim the name of Yahweh before you. I will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will show mercy on whom I will show mercy." Romans {9:20} But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed ask him who formed it, "Why did you make me like this?" {9:21} Or hasn't the potter a right over the clay, from the same lump to make one part a vessel for honor, and another for dishonor? Steven Brust {Phoenix} A god is someone who isn't bound by natural laws, and who can morally commit an action which would be immoral for someone who wasn't a god. Which Peanuts Character Are You Quiz
TCWalt Sergeant Posts: 193 (2/24/03 1:02 pm) Reply	Re: An old question I guess my issue with the dinosaurs living with people theory..is well...why in the excavation of dinosaurs do they find no human remains? They are generally at a different level from what I understand about archeology. If they lived together then wouldn't their remains (bones) be found at the same "level" in the ground? And thanks for all your input, I was afraid to bring this up as I hate feeling stupid and generally speaking when it comes to this stuff, I do. I am going home tonight to read the whole of Job over again, I guess I missed stuff =) Christie
RshScks Sergeant Major Posts: 417 (2/24/03 3:40 pm) Reply	Re: An old question Well I think the biggest reason there would be no Dinosaur remains is because man was a lot smarter than a Dinosaur and probably could avoid whatever killed all of them, unless it was the flood. Also they probably stayed as far away from them as possible, because I know I do not want to be around wild elephants that could trample me. "The principle runs through all life from top to bottom. Give up yourself, and you will find your real self. Lose your life and you will save it. Submit to death, death of your ambitions and favorite wishes everyday and death of your whole body in the end: submit with every fiber of your being, and you will find enternal life. Keep back nothing. Nothing that you have not given away will ever really be yours. Nothing in you that has not died will ever be raised from the dead. Look for yourself, and you will find in the long run only hatred, loneliness, despair, rage, ruin, and decay. But look for Christ and you will find Him, and with Him everything else thrown in." -C.S. Lewis "Mere Christianity"
Dualhunter Second Lieutenant Posts: 510 (2/24/03 7:47 pm) Reply	Re: An old question Most fossils are from the flood. Humans tend to bloat when dead and therefore float so that might be why we don't see a lot of human fossils (i.e. the people who died in the flood). The majority of fossils are of marine creatures and other fossils are comparatively very rare so it isn't that surprising that we have yet to find dinosaur and human fossils together. Also fossils are dated based on which strata they are found in. A dinosaur and a human corpse could have settled in the same spot after the flood but if the heavy dinosaur sunk into lower layer of sediment than the human, the evolutionist would declare that the dinosaur died millions of years earlier.
Kaze9999 friend Posts: 1023 (2/25/03 12:19 am) Reply	Re: An old question Actually, most types of bodies 'bloat and float', but in the flood, water tends to sort things by size and deposit things the same way in the sediment. Kind of ironic that the 'strata layer' method of dating tends to put the stuff at the bottom of the sea which would have been buried under the first silt from the flood as 'oldest', and in general track 'development' through 'the mellinia' in generally the same way that water would have sorted stuff out in a huge flood all at the same time. Eric --------------Just a signature------------------------ Genesis {33:19} He said, "I will make all my goodness pass before you, and will proclaim the name of Yahweh before you. I will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will show mercy on whom I will show mercy." Romans {9:20} But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed ask him who formed it, "Why did you make me like this?" {9:21} Or hasn't the potter a right over the clay, from the same lump to make one part a vessel for honor, and another for dishonor? Steven Brust {Phoenix} A god is someone who isn't bound by natural laws, and who can morally commit an action which would be immoral for someone who wasn't a god. Which Peanuts Character Are You Quiz
Zephan Private Posts: 1 (7/27/03 1:33 pm) Reply	Re: An old question The dinosaurs were part of the first earth age. Zephan
Kaze9999 friend Posts: 1149 (7/29/03 10:54 am) Reply	Re: An old question Care to explain a little more, Zephan? Waht exactly do you believe, and what sources do you believe support your belief? Are you a 'gap theory' proponant, believing that the Bible describes two earths being created, with the first one being wiped out before the 'second creation' which included human kind? Eric --------------Just a signature------------------------ Romans 9:22 What if God, although willing to demonstrate His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction? I Samuel 15:2 "Thus says the LORD of hosts, 'I will punish Amalek for what he did to Israel, how he set himself against him on the way while he was coming up from Egypt. 3 'Now go and strike Amalek and utterly destroy all that he has, and do not spare him; but put to death both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.'"
boips Private Posts: 1 (8/6/03 9:08 pm) Reply	an old question I am new to this but this is a subject that i enjoy - dinosaurs and such. as a believer i know that the Lord loves variety - look at the variety of birds, insects etc. and as vast as the Universe is above us, it is just as "vast" in the ground below our feet - the microcosms, the life below us, even the "cows" on our skin taking care of us. to get back to the dinosaurs. here is a website i looked up www.icr.org/pubs/imp/imp-035.htm - this should bring up an article that i had heard about 10 years ago and now i see it on the web, ain't technology great - research is so easy now. it explains a little about man and dinosaurs co-existing. Job was around with dinos - leviathan and behemoth my belief about the co-existence of man and dinosaurs is this, that God created the animals one day, literally a day, and then created man. so whatever animals He created co-existed with man. all animals and man were vegetarians because that was God's command to eat the fruit of any tree, plus there was no death. God's command was different after the flood - then He said that man could eat of all the clean animals. i believe that the sky is different now than before the flood and that the sun did not have the same aging affect that it has today - the ages of people before and after can attest to this. and because of this change there are certain vitamins that exist in congesting meat that we need after the flood that was not necessary before the flood. i was looking into being a vegetarian, read a lot of books. there is a famous vegetarian - can't remember his name, will look it up if there is interest. anyway he started feeling funny - he went to his doctor and the doctor told him he had a B-12 deficiency and that he had to take a pill - back when he had to take this vitamin it was only made from actual fish liver - he was ostracized (spelling?) by all the veggies in the world because he took the pill, but if he hadn't taken the pill he would have died from a very painful death. back to dinosaurs - sorry for being wordy - most dinos died in the flood, quickly (don�t know why no fossils of man with dinos) and i believe that there were dinos on the ark but it could be that dinos skin was not well suited to the post flood conditions or man killed them off like they bison or other such endangered/extinct animals. as to the existence of dinos today, it's possible - check through that website i gave you. you see, i was at a seminar for Institute for Creation Research (ICR) and they had a recording of some noise of some animal in South America - dense, dense jungles down there - and they don't know what animal makes that noise, but when the natives were asked what it was they drew something that looked like a dino, but since the researchers didn't see the animal they can not confirm. but they can theorize.

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