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BRRanch 
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(4/21/03 2:35 pm)
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Courtship/Betrothal?
Hi ladies,

I thought it would be nice to exchange some thoughts on courtship or betrothal here. I have read SO much material on courtship and betrothal and love to hear stories about couples who chose this way. I lean more toward the standard of courtship (waiting for marriage, involving both sets of parents, keeping yourself physically and emotionally pure for the one God would have you marry, etc.)

What are your thoughts?

~~ Aja Nicole ~~



singergirl01
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(4/25/03 9:48 pm)
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LOL, I just finished discussing this with a dear friend at church S:)

Below is an article I wrote about this topic:) It contains my basic beliefs about courtship vs. dating:) Please note these are my own beliefs. i don't mean to imply everyone else must have them too:)



A Lady in Waiting
By Deborah Teat

What? You don’t date? Gimme a break! How do you expect to get married then?”

I can’t count the number of times I’ve heard or read this response when someone says they believe in courtship. The very idea of not dating is ludicrous to most of society. We don’t like the idea of waiting. We want it now. We want it our way.

But is our way God’s way?

My own journey toward the answer of this question began when I was thirteen. Though I had never dated, I always assumed once I was old enough to get married, I would start dating. But God started “re-wiring” my thinking. I started to see things very differently.

I used to think of dating as simply two people going out alone with each other. But it isn’t. It’s much more. Dating is a philosophy, a mindset, if you will, that says “buy now, pay later.” It says we don’t really have to seek God for direction. It doesn’t matter if I’m ready for commitment. I can follow my heart, and “play” at marriage until I “feel” ready.

Dating often takes away from the authority of the father. There was a time when a young man asked permission from the father to see his daughter. However, typical dating excludes that. It puts daughters in vulnerable situations. God gave fathers authority as a protection for the daughters, but the father, instead of being the first to know of the young man’s intentions, is often the last.

Is this God’s way?

God began to "re-wire" my thinking through various books and videos on the subject of courtship. I started to see that even though people say “Oh, but you can ask God about who to date,” typical dating, by its very nature, takes the focus off God, and puts it on feelings. It puts couples in compromising circumstances, where is it easy to justify anything. It allows couples to become emotionally involved, without knowing where the relationship is headed. You give your heart (and body in some cases) to so many people, and soon you have little or nothing left for the person you will marry.

I believe that God has a better way.

I believe that if I wait for His timing, He will give me what is best for me.

Some people may say I’m a radical for choosing not to date.

But in the end, it’s not what others think that matters the most to me.

God’s viewpoint is more important.

“Be still, and know that I am God.” Psalm 46:10

If I believe God is in control, that belief needs to reflect every area of my life, including relationships. If I really believe that He is omnipotent, I need to show it. But does waiting on God mean I just sit back, and twiddle my thumbs until God brings along the person I am to marry? No. I don’t believe God wants me to “sit back and twiddle my thumbs.”

“………..He that is unmarried careth for the things of the Lord, how he may please the Lord.” 1 Corinthians 7:32b

“……..the unmarried woman careth for the things of the Lord, that she may be holy in both mind and spirit; but she is married careth for the things of the world, how she may please her husband.” 1Corinthians 7:35b

Our single years are a gift God gives us to use for Him and to prepare for the marriage He may someday give us. When we are married, we focus on our spouse, and the responsibilities we have in marriage. This doesn’t mean we can’t serve God when we are married, but we no longer have the same kind of time we have when we are single. Many Christian singles are so involved with relationship after relationship that they miss the blessings of giving God their time.

I had a unique and wonderful opportunity to help in the nursery of the Ladies’ Bible Study in my church. I learned so much about caring for kids through the lady I worked with. I’ve helped with weddings, church functions, dramas, musical productions, and many other things. If I had been focused on a relationship, I would have missed many important lessons. People who say “Oh, it doesn’t really matter how you find the right spouse, as long as you find them” are missing a big part of the picture. The ends do not justify the means. God isn’t concerned with just the destination. He’s concerned about the journey. He wants us to focus on Him.

But how do we make it through this journey?

I believe these are some keys:

1. Trust
“Trust in the Lord with all thine heart, and lean not unto thine own understanding. In all thy ways, acknowledge Him, and He shall direct thy paths.” -Proverbs 3:5-6


One of the difficulties and rewards of waiting on God is learning to trust Him. It takes faith to believe that God knows the path I take, and He wants what’s best for me. I can’t look at someone else’s life and say, “God, why do they have it, and I don’t?” I don’t live their life. God gives me what He knows is best for me, not them.

2. Contentment
“Not that I speak in respect of want: for I have learned, in whatsoever state I am in, therewith to be content.” -Philippians 4:11

When we think, “Oh if only I had this or that, then I’d be content,” we don’t realize that contentment is a choice, an attitude that we choose. It is saying “I will willingly take what God gives me today as enough for me, and let Him decide what He will give me tomorrow.” If I’m not content when I’m single, I won’t be content when I’m married.

3. Focus
"Mine eyes are ever toward the Lord; for He shall pluck my feet from the net.” -Psalm 25:15

You can’t focus on two things at once. As long as our focus is on Jesus, “the things of earth will grow strangely dim in the light of His glory and Grace.” When Christ called Peter to climb out of the boat, and walk toward Him on the water, he was safe as long as his eyes were on Christ. Once he looked at his surroundings, and the storms that lashed out in every direction, Peter began sinking down into the water. When we take our eyes off Jesus, and put them on the trials and storms of life that surround us, we start sinking down into despair and discouragement.

“Be Thou my Vision O Lord of my heart;
Naught be all else to me, save that Thou art.
Thou my best thought by day or by night.
Waking or sleeping, Thy presence my light.”


Waiting on God is a daily journey. Even after I’m married, I will still be on that journey, because learning to trust God is a lifelong process.

So why do I not date?

Because I believe God has something far better in store for me.
And until He chooses to give it to me, I will be

“A Lady In Waiting.”

Edited by: singergirl01  at: 6/21/03 8:31 pm
Fanny Beerepoot
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(6/2/03 7:18 pm)
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Re: Courtship/Betrothal?
Dear Ladies,

I have just visited a website on this very subject which may be of interest to you! The website is www.boldchristianliving.com There are many articles and audio tapes available here about dating/courtship/betrothal, the differences between them and the scriptural design for romance. Several years ago (1999) Mum, Dad, my bother and I listened to a series of tapes by Jonathan Lindvall and we were very blessed by it.

My Dad has the key to my heart!

I pray that we may keep ourselves not only physically pure but also emotionally pure for the one God has intended us to marry.

I pray this message may be a blessing to you.

May God be with you,
Fanny.

BRRanch 
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(6/4/03 2:46 pm)
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Deb,

For some reason I just saw your post under this topic and was able to read your article. Wow! What a wonderful job. I really enjoyed reading what you had...you've certainly got talent with writing!

Thanks for letting us read that!

Blessings,

~~ Aja Nicole ~~



singergirl01 
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(6/21/03 8:27 pm)
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Thanks Aja!:)

Your encouragement means a lot;)

Blooming in His Care
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(7/5/03 7:17 pm)
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My family is into courting, though I'm too young to court, (I'm not ready to marry) I have also looked into betrothal, I actually like it, but my mom says that she'd prefer my to court, or rather, be courted~!:lol
I think betrothal would be sooo easy! I mean my Dad would make sure he's a kind and strong Christian, and my mom would make sure he's nice, caring, loving etc.
So if I had a choice I would choose betrothal, but I can't betroth myself!:lol
So I guess it's courting for me! :multi

I have also written an essay on courtship vs. dating, and on modesty. It's a good way to remind oneself what we belive and why!
~Jenny:flower

GodsHandmaiden84
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(7/7/03 1:33 pm)
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I'd love to read your articles on the topics you mentioned, Jenny! It's always interesting to read what other people's views are. It can be so inspiring! :)
I also enjoyed reading the other article! Very good.
Have any of you read the book called "Choosing Gods Best" by Dr. Don Rauniker? It's a very good book. Has alot of wisdom in there and much insight.
~Sarah~

~*Great peace have they which love the Lord*~

RileyMom10
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(7/7/03 10:16 pm)
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I am definitely for courtship.My parents introduced me to it four years ago ( when I was eleven ) through the Castleberrys' courtship books.Fanny, I like what you said about your father; I agree with you.
A close friend of our family recently married after a courtship ( we met his bride just yesterday :flower ).Their testimony is unique: They are both somewhat older ( fifty and forty-eight) and the lady is a widow with a eight-year-old son.She also gave up a career as a doctor to be a 'keeper at home' ( they 'buried' her doctor bag in a flower arrangement :flower ).Brother T-- says they were never alone before the night he proposed.We are so happy for them ( what happened to the 'Praise the Lord' emoticon ?! ).
In Christ,
Emma:flower ( I love that little flower:) )

Alea24
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(7/8/03 6:56 pm)
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I am all for being courted. My parents(that includes my unsaved father!) believe in it, but my family is a different story. Everytime I see one of them, they ask Mom or me if I have a boyfriend yet(Ick, just the thought of that sends a chill down my spine.). They are always so surprised when we tell them no, I don't. We've tod them and told them about courtship, but it seems to 'go in one ear, out the other'. The really annoying thing is when they ask, "So, you've never been asked out, right? That's why you say you're gonna court." THen I have to tell them, yes, I have been asked out, but that doesn't matter, I'm still not dating. :frustration.
My best friend's older sister went thru courtship. She and her husband were never left alone until their wedding night. That is the way I feel it should be done. They only held hands and would give each other hugs, that was it.
If you girls want a really good website for courtship testimonies(including some who didn't follow the rules-really interesting to read), it is found at
www.ylcf.org/courtship-stories/
The stories on this are really encouraging that this is the right thing. There is even a video of someone's wedding day that is really funny. You'll have to see it.
Corri

YeshuasTikvah
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(7/9/03 11:01 am)
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Thankfully, our family hasn't given us much trouble about dating or boyfriends/girlfriends. We are the "weird" ones of the family (we have 10 children--well, almost :) --, we homeschool, we keep the seventh day Sabbath and the Feastdays, we don't eat pork or other unclean animals (such as shellfish, etc..), we don't watch bad movies or read bad books, we dress more modestly, we homeschool, my mom's a stay-at-home-mom, AND we don't date.), so courting is just another "weird" thing we do. My memere will tease me now and then: "Did you see any handsome boys?" (When she asked me that one, I automatically said "No!" rather emphatically...I didn't think before saying it, because there were some handsome men there, I'm just not interested in dating!) And then my great-grandmother will occasionally ask if I have a boyfriend or if my big brother Matt has a girlfriend. She can't hear as well anymore (she is 94), so it's difficult to explain just why we don't date. So, we just say no, we don't, and let it go. For the most part, our family is really good about it, which is rather amazing, as they aren't saved. :sad

As far as dating vs. courtship vs. betrothal, my family and I are more for courtship. I read this article that has made me lean more towards courting rather than betrothal. Here it is:

www.nogreaterjoy.org/to_betroth.htm

Well, I must go!

~Krista :flower

"Shout to the Lord, All the earth let us sing Power and Majesty, praise to the King! Mountains bow down and the seas will roar at the sound of your name. I sing for joy at the work of your hands, forever I'll love you, forever I'll stand. Nothing compares to the promise I have in You."

~from "Shout to the Lord," by Darlene Zschech

RileyMom10
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(7/9/03 8:46 pm)
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Corri,you are not the only one ! Most of our extended family is very much against homeschooling,courtship,having eight children,us girls staying at home,wearing desses,etc.People were asking me if I had a 'boyfriend' when I was only twelve ! And just a couple months ago,someone was asking if I didn't want to 'get a job and be independent'.:eek
( Daddy was there to stand up for me that time ).
On the other hand,Mommy's parents are quite supportive.And my aunt and uncle have decided to homeschool their boys:clap .
On the subject of courtship . . . .
Have any of y'all read Mrs M L Chancey's courtship story on Ladies Against Feminism ? It's really good & quite interesting:flower . ( I love to read articles at LAF :) )
In Christ,
Emma

BRRanch 
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(7/10/03 5:46 am)
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Emma,

Yes, I have read Mrs. Chancey's article on LAF (I love those articles also :multi ).

I am all for courtship (waiting for God's best and not dating). For the most part I have no problems with what others think of me in regards to not dating...although I have had to say no to several young men that have asked about me.

I was talking to a lady in our church the other day, teasing really, about how I'm not married yet. She said "Wait, Aja, God's best will come". She got married for the first time at the age of 40! She said "If you go ahead of God and get married out of His will....you could wind up in a real mess". I thought that was great encouragement to me.....since waiting can be so hard sometimes.

One thing that is very important to me in a young man is that he posesses leadership qualities so he can lead me and my family one day. Looks mean very little to me in light of that ;) .

Blessings,

~~ Aja Nicole ~~



singergirl01 
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(7/13/03 2:02 pm)
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I agree Aja:)

I don't even notice looks in a guy if he has strong Christian character.
One of the things my parents and I are praying for in my future husband in that he not be afraid to stand for what he believes,
no matter what happens (speaking the truth in love of course:) ).

There are too few guys like in this world.:\

My Place

Blooming in His Care
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(7/20/03 7:10 pm)
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I'm honored Sarah that you would like to read my essay's I would be happy to share them with you, but I don't know how to post them on here...:( I'm really not a compter person, I leave the hard stuff for my dad! ;) ) I'll ask my Dad about it, but if it doesn't work and you're still interested, maybe I can just fwd it in an e-mail for you!
But hopefully I can post it on here! :D

~Jenny:flower

GodsHandmaiden84
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(7/24/03 5:19 pm)
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that would be wonderful, Jenny!
Thank you so much!
~Sarah~

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