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enki
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(4/28/01 11:54 pm)
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Cuneiform Drill program
For those of you interested in learning Akkadian\Sumerian cuneiform:
Tonight I started designing a program for Windows that will import a text file of transliterated Akkadian text, and allow you to drag cuneiform signs to the proper place on the text and drop it. Of course, it will only allow you to put a sign where it matches the transliteration. I expect to have a critique-able beta in a week or two (maybe less, depending on how inspired I am)
Anyone that would like to test it out and/or make suggestions email me at oddbyrd@home.com

enki 0]

Liztar
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(4/29/01 3:48 am)
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Great idea! :D Don´t know whether I have the time to join the program presently because I am much too busy. Thanks a million though! :D

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Frank
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(4/29/01 3:16 pm)
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Looking forward to checking out that program indeed... ;)

Bye,
Frank

Makarananda
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(4/30/01 7:36 am)
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The CUNEIFORM Drill program sounds very good to me. I almost literally *can't wait* to try this program :smokin

Makarananda.

Liztar
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(4/30/01 5:54 pm)
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Delighted to see so much interest in the cuneiform drill program!*picture Lish clapping hands with glee :D Keep it up, Marcus!!!

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enki
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(5/5/01 7:11 pm)
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Status Update:

It looks like there will be a delay in the cform project
for a few reasons/excuses, as you will.

A) I started a new job, so will be busy aquainting myself with the client and work and such.
B) I am using licensed Akkadian fonts which cannot be redistributed without paying for each copy.
so I have to make bitmaps of approximately 1000 signs.
It's not as bad as it sounds, really, but it will add some time, none the less.
C) I want to avoid using MS Access and similar products, even though it could make my life easier, because I really want this to work on as many computers as possible, right from the get go.

I hate being late, and REALLY hate being the guy who makes a project late, but its my project, hahaha!
No, really, I'm sorry... :(

*enki narrowly dodges a tablet, and it whistles harmlessly by. "Hey! that was the Enuma Elish!"

enki

enki
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(5/12/01 5:47 pm)
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Woohoo! Today I completed creating bitmaps of 900+ OB Akkadian signs, and worked out some implementation details that, quite frankly, scared me more than the thought of blind fighting a gallu demon.

It looks like avoiding the database route actually was the best thing... Since any sign can potentially share a transliteration/sound value with any number of other signs, the database design and code would have been non-trivial, as well as making adding/modifiying signs more complicated than necessary.

So, instead, each sign is listed with its possible English transliterations/pronunciations in a flat text file that is read when the program runs, only loading the signs that are actually used. Since only a small fraction of the signs are common, performance/resource management is pretty sweet. 'pretty sweet' == optimal :)


Nisaba be praised!





Liztar
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(5/12/01 7:48 pm)
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oooh many many congratulations, Marcus!:) )) Ain´t we great??? This is an expression I use a lot in my magickal groups at the end of a great meeting!!!

Cyberhugs and keep Up the Great Work!!!
Nisaba be praised and hail to you, Marcus, who certainly nourish Her!

best :D
Lishtar
PS: Kisses in the mom´s of the members of the board. :D

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Frank
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(5/13/01 3:59 pm)
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Haha, this is Liz as I know her... :rollin

Liztar
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(5/13/01 5:43 pm)
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:D and cyberhugs

I slept. Had even a proper breakfast. Have healed from last week´s mad rush and allergy.

Liz is BACK TO NORMAL!!!

courteous bows to everyone and may you all have a restful Sunday evening and a smashing beginning of the week!



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enki
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(5/13/01 10:03 pm)
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Like Mark Twain, I can live two weeks on a compliment...
So this probably means I won't need to eat for a month!

I'm so very glad to hear you are tip top once again, Lishtar :) Now our bright morning star is back, showering us with wonderous Magickal light!






enki
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(5/27/01 5:18 pm)
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Hi all,

I've had to rework my approach to the CForm project yet again... (sigh)
Wanting to keep my options open for using both Akkadian and Sumerian signs has really
made me use a few more brain cells than on the average day.
As our Meso scribes must have known, cuneiform is not as intuitive as it looks :/
But, on the bright side, the data model and relationships have solidified a lot since I've started.

As I mentioned, due to the complicated relationship of the cuneiform signs to sounds and transliterations,
standard SQL is not sufficient, so I've been busy rolling my own brand of SQL:
one designed for searching and comparing text, like in better word processors,
but also maintaining a iterative relationship to a collection of related objects.

Heres are some examples of the 'metagrammar' I've come up with so far:

// SELECT 3 Signs LIKE C'a'C
Selects first 3 signs with a 3 'letter' pronunciation having an initial consonant, a medial 'a', and a final consonant
// SELECT Signs LIKE CV'g'
Selects all signs with a 3 'letter' pronunciation having initial consonant, medial vowel and final 'g'
// SELECT Signs LIKE *'a'*
Selects all signs with a pronunciation having an 'a' sound anywhere
// SELECT Signs LIKE ?'a'?
Selects all signs with a 3 'letter' pronunciation having a medial 'a'
// SELECT Signs LIKE CV* AND NOT LIKE ?u*
Selects all signs with any pronunciations having an initial consonant and any vowel except for 'u'
// SELECT Signs 'ta'
Selects first sign having a pronunciation 'ta'

In addition to Consonant and Vowel specifiers, possibly some linguistic modifiers like D for 'dental' or L for 'labial' will get worked in, but
waiting to see how to see how useful and practical they will be.
I intend to add a feature to allow the student to practice on any subset of the signs,
as defined by ad hoc queries above, all at once, or randomly.

Ha, no more guesses as to when it will be done... just soon :)

Necronomicon
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(7/5/01 4:49 pm)
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Didnt read the whole thread...so I hope its not off topic
the neo-assyrian cuneiform signs already exist from Ellermeier. The CD was part of one of his latest books.

If anyone wants to know more about it....I will go to the library and find it out.

browndwarf
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(6/5/03 7:33 am)
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message to all
first of all I would like to extend my greetings and thanks to all who believe. and too enki for trying to make a working cuneiform drill program
i am looking for a couple books right now
lost book of enki and the 12th planet
if you have any email me at lil_cron@yahoo.com
thank you0]

saharda
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(7/13/03 5:30 am)
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12th planet
If you’re interested you can often find Sitchin books accidentally placed in the science fiction section as the space alien approach isn’t immediately identifiable as religion.

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