Re: I'll try again:
Yeah and they think they know all about how to explain the anomalies, but cant agree with each other as to the answers!
I went on to Bad Astronomy's message board about a year ago talking about the Apollo Hoax, and they're still talking about our article. Looks like it takes them a long time to reassure each other that the evidence I have uncovered couldn't possibly be real. What are they frightened of?
I find the guys on the bad astronomy messageboard a pretty sad lot who cannot talk about anything else but the Apollo hoax and how they are all right and we are all wrong.
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I will ignore the insulting remarks in Dave's post and instead will wait (with baited breath I might add) for his reply to the ongoing thread at Bad Astronomy.
In summary, it appears that David Groves' research concerning the Apollo missions is seriously flawed and cannot be trusted. A detailed rebuttal can be found by following the link that has already been posted by Lunar Orbit.
pvtpylot
Unregistered User
(6/4/02 11:34 pm) Reply
Apollo debate
I would recommend that any readers of this forum head on over to The Bad Astronomy Lunar Hoax forums:
and go ahead an judge for yourselves the quality of arguments for and against the Apollo "Hoax". The debates of the last week or so are all still there.
Re: Apollo debate
I would like to warn anyone before going to view 'Bad Astronomy' that some of its members are very narrowminded. For instance, the above message was written by a guy who claims that Area 51 doesn't even exist!
You have been warned!
MFSackett Registered User
Posts: 2
(6/27/02 7:40 pm) Reply
Re: Apollo debate
Area 51 doesn't exist! Oh my I didn't know that russian sattelites that flew over the area not long ago taking pictures could have such wonderful pictures of a base that does't exist. Isn't modern science wonderful?
AradJohn Registered User
Posts: 1
(8/1/02 11:10 pm) Reply
Re: Apollo debate
hey I think that we went there but we had to cover things up or we went there and we found things we couldnt cover up and we had to come back down and redo it with a skit type of thing
gustvoc Registered User
Posts: 1
(9/11/02 12:54 am) Reply
Yes and no
I believe in ufos but I also believe that we went to the moon, recently I checked a book of pictures taken on the moon with great resolution.
And tonigh I saw on the news a guy following Aldrin and telling him that he was a lier and a coward, and that he should sweared in a bible that he had, the guy had many cameramans and Aldrin was telling him please leave me alone, the guy was provoking Aldrin very clear, Aldrin hit him because he was very anoying and unpolite, after that the guy was asking the cameramans if they recorded the punch.
So should we follow our heroe astronauts and tell them on the face that they are liers and cowards when they a re in a restaurant with their family, should we get 8 cameramans to make their life imposible, follow them everywhere.
I believe the guy that did that is one of those that wrote one of those books that we never went to the moon, and Im sure he is going to include the punch in the next video that comes with the book.
Bart Sibrel
The person harassing Buzz Aldrin in the video is Bart Sibrel, his initials aptly spell "BS". He has a video entitled "A Funny Thing Happened on The Way to The Moon".
Sibrel has been harassing the astronauts for years. Something which has lead to his arrest on one occasion.
Aldrin and Armstrong
Why couldn't Aldrin just give a simple 'Yes we did go to the Moon' answer? The same question could be asked about why Armstrong never gives interviews? Some say its because hes shy.. really... how many really shy people do you know, would go and sign up to be the first man on Moon? Making him, possibly apart from Kennedy, the most well known face of the 60s and 70s in American history?
Re: Aldrin and Armstrong
For me, the human psychological angle is one of the biggest persusions as to why man never stepped foot on the moon. Most astronauts are recluses and ever-evasive, running away instead of openly bathing in the glory of what they were supposed to have done like most normal people would. Look at past explorers, did they behave this way? Did Sir Edmund Hillary act like this?
So "humble" is Neil Armstrong that not only did he not want one single photo taken of himself on the moon (but tough - one did slip through regardless), he has never kept one momento of the moon in his home. This is beyond normal humility.
When they came into their first press conference after supposedly being to the moon, they were very shfty-eyed and cagey - it was like a look of "did we get away with it?" When asked if they had seen stars they gave each other a look and then contradicted each other.
When I was reminded about how they had started talking about seeing aliens etc before they were suddenly whipped away and declared they wouldn't be giving more interviews, that was the tip to me that it really was fake; as far as I am concerned it is a blatant cover story to why they are now hiding. So reporters hunt after them for years trying to find out about these aliens instead of asking the more pertinent questions like did they really go to the moon.
We can't compare
How can we understand we never went to the moon, we don't know how does it feel to be in another world and come back, Aldrin suffered a great deal after coming back from the moon, one day you are a normal person the next one you are very famous, would you go everywhere telling everybody that you went to the moon, or would you prefer to live a normal life?
Well said Rusty
Well said Rusty,
Guys like Andrew and Gustvox really make me laugh. Your trying to defend these guys who knew what they were getting themselves into. Its a bit like say 'You can't blame Elvis Presley for hiding all the time, after all he's rather shy and doesn't want all the attention!'. If they didn't want the attention, they wouldnt have put themselves forward in the first place.
I will restate some of my conclusions for Andrew and Gustvox to answer.
1. Why did NASA destroy the original blueprints of the LEM
2. Why did the fibreglass aerial on one of the modules not burn up on re-entry?
3. Why do scientists at NASA say that it would take at least 10 years to have the capability to return to the Moon if they started working on the project from today.
As I keep saying, and none of you Apollo believers will comment 'Is NASA telling us that they have lost the technology that they had 30+ years ago?'.
Perhaps if we did go to the Moon we would have built a Moonbase instead of the ISS....
I think normal thinking adults can answer the above questions quit rationally...
Oh gawd.... 1. Why did NASA destroy the original blueprints of the LEM?
They didn't.
2. Why did the fibreglass aerial on one of the modules not burn up on re-entry?
What the hell are you talking about? I think your talking about something that happened on Gemini, not Apollo. The antenna probably did burn up and likely another antenna deployed after re-entry.
Be more specific in your questions if you wish to get a proper answer. However, if I find this claim is to do with Gemini I'm not going to answer it, as it has nothing to do with the Apollo hoax.
3. Why do scientists at NASA say that it would take at least 10 years to have the capability to return to the Moon if they started working on the project from today.
I would have thought it would take longer. Probably because they won't have anything like the budget of Apollo in today's money, and they'd probably pace themselves, Apollo was rather hastily done, remember, it was the "space race". There's no space race today.
As I keep saying, and none of you Apollo believers will comment 'Is NASA telling us that they have lost the technology that they had 30+ years ago?'.
Not exactly, you've consistently shown that you don't fully understand this issue, and that you're to closed-minded to listen to any answer.
Perhaps if we did go to the Moon we would have built a Moonbase instead of the ISS....
Perhaps they could have done, but there are many reasons why they didn't. Because Apollo was a hoax is not the only reason.
I think normal thinking adults can answer the above questions quit(sic) rationally...
Yes they can. Can you?
We didn't go.
No we didn't. 12 Apollo astronauts did.
Dave you say "we didn't go", but on your website you have a page (this one) wherein you talk about UFO sightings on Apollo. So your position is that they didn't go, but they did go and photo UFOs and ET? Riiiight....
P.S. I noticed that you didn't try to retort any of my other points in the "Sky at Night Fiasco" thread.
RDChemist
Unregistered User
(10/1/02 8:40 pm) Reply
Been to BA
I've been to BA. I don't see any close minded people there. I've only seen people who have discussed the Apollo moon landings with intense enthusiasm and have come to the conclusion that the moon landings actually happened as claimed.
They have researched the topic very thoroughly in their respective fields. Many have thoroughly analyzed the hoax evidence and have found it wanting. These people are professionals and have set the bar very high in terms of what constitutes solid evidence. They will require specifics and a basic understanding of general scientific principles in fields such as astronomy, aerospace, engineering, geology, chemistry, etc. if they are to consider arguments of a hoax to be valid. Are you up to the challenge?
I can't speak for all those who believe the lunar landings took place, but I'm open to persuasion. All I require is some evidence. I know that man has set foot on the moon because, when all of the evidence is considered, it's the only possible explanation.
Raydeen Registered User
Posts: 1
(10/2/02 8:49 am) Reply
I want to believe NASA went to the moon
I really like believing that we went to the moon, I mean that is a colossal achievement. But the one thing I have always found so strange was that I don't think we have ever seen any pictures of the old moon landing equipment. The old LEM unit bases, moon
rovers or equipment that the Astronauts left up there. I recall the Clementine mapping missions and I thought back then we would surely see some photos of the old landing sites. I could very well be wrong here but are there any newer photos of the old landing
sites anywhere we could see ?
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