Existence?

1st - no I am not a religious fanatic - these are my simple views derived from experience and deep thinking...

exist? yes he/she/it does exist....
form? what form would you like?
omnipotent? weeelllll ... if you could do anything and everything, whatever and nothing what would you be?
as for is there more than one? well, if not then what would he have to be jealous of? and the bible itself tells us that there are more than one ... see genesis (chapter 1 - I believe) "let us make man in our image"
so I would say there are more than one .... but not too very many ... and even with this I believe that the God each sept or religion -in today's world- worships is really the same called by different names.... the greeks and romans believe that the gods became weaker as christianity spread and less and less people believed in them .... I can believe that because I know from personal experience that the stronger my belief in Him is the closer I feel to him and the more my prayer and requests get answered... I tell my children (grown now) that the strength of your belief increases the volume of your needs and prayers... think about it... how many people are there praying everyday/every minute? which is why a group sharing a common goal or prayer can achieve more sometimes than a single person.... works like exponents
and too.... how much do you really want that answer? some/a little/a lot? and how sure are you that he is going to answer? if you only want it some and don't really think he will answer ... why should he? if someone asked you a question then walked off would you answer it? - remember no one is there to hear the answer...
omnipotent yes .. but not unfeeling ... and from what the bible tells about us about him, he is much the same as us only more... so talk I talk to him, think of him and treat him like I would any person only with much more respect and awe (little word but BIG meaning) .. I guess like some would the pope or president sort of....
NOW ON FOR THE 2ND PARAGRAPH

he has a form ... whatever he wants... appeared to Moses as a burning bush and to another prophet as a hurricane force wind.... me as a feeling of peace and comfort... so yes there is form whatever form energy can take .... merely energy no.
for energy has no feeling or emotion... which is what many would have us believe of God... but tis not true atalll and yes you could think of him as a force like the one is star wars for the too would fit and yes we are a part of it as is every thing in the universe? well at least this world

want to discuss and i emphasize discuss ... more than happy
like topics that make one think and wonder after all
"nothing is impossible - to one who believes deep enough and wants strongly enough - ALL things are possible" ... ask Rae if you don't believe me

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Reznor Daemon Soul Posts: 375 (6/13/02 11:59 am) Reply	Existence? Does God exist? If yes, then in what kind of form? Is he/she/it an omnipotent being, who resides over us all? Is it a collection of beings, similar to the Greek God design. Does a 'God" not exist, but that life is merely energy? Similar to Star Wars and its theory of 'The Force'. Is life an energy that flows through us, around us, and we are essentially part of it? Just some mind boggling questions. I know there are two things that people should discuss/debate: Religion and Politics. Well, for right now I don't care about politics, but religion is always an interesting subject, and I don't mind debating it... Reznor "Comfort being wrapped inside the blanket of darkness..." (Property of Reznor)
Raes Mom62 Newly Born Posts: 1 (6/17/02 2:10 pm) Reply	Re: Existence? 1st - no I am not a religious fanatic - these are my simple views derived from experience and deep thinking... exist? yes he/she/it does exist.... form? what form would you like? omnipotent? weeelllll ... if you could do anything and everything, whatever and nothing what would you be? as for is there more than one? well, if not then what would he have to be jealous of? and the bible itself tells us that there are more than one ... see genesis (chapter 1 - I believe) "let us make man in our image" so I would say there are more than one .... but not too very many ... and even with this I believe that the God each sept or religion -in today's world- worships is really the same called by different names.... the greeks and romans believe that the gods became weaker as christianity spread and less and less people believed in them .... I can believe that because I know from personal experience that the stronger my belief in Him is the closer I feel to him and the more my prayer and requests get answered... I tell my children (grown now) that the strength of your belief increases the volume of your needs and prayers... think about it... how many people are there praying everyday/every minute? which is why a group sharing a common goal or prayer can achieve more sometimes than a single person.... works like exponents and too.... how much do you really want that answer? some/a little/a lot? and how sure are you that he is going to answer? if you only want it some and don't really think he will answer ... why should he? if someone asked you a question then walked off would you answer it? - remember no one is there to hear the answer... omnipotent yes .. but not unfeeling ... and from what the bible tells about us about him, he is much the same as us only more... so talk I talk to him, think of him and treat him like I would any person only with much more respect and awe (little word but BIG meaning) .. I guess like some would the pope or president sort of.... NOW ON FOR THE 2ND PARAGRAPH he has a form ... whatever he wants... appeared to Moses as a burning bush and to another prophet as a hurricane force wind.... me as a feeling of peace and comfort... so yes there is form whatever form energy can take .... merely energy no. for energy has no feeling or emotion... which is what many would have us believe of God... but tis not true atalll and yes you could think of him as a force like the one is star wars for the too would fit and yes we are a part of it as is every thing in the universe? well at least this world want to discuss and i emphasize discuss ... more than happy like topics that make one think and wonder after all "nothing is impossible - to one who believes deep enough and wants strongly enough - ALL things are possible" ... ask Rae if you don't believe me
raewolf thedreamer Mystic Wolf Posts: 320 (6/17/02 2:21 pm) Reply	Re: Existence? that's my mum.... Rae ~Wolf~ One never knows if dreams will come true until they already have.
Reznor Daemon Soul Posts: 381 (6/18/02 10:45 am) Reply	Re: Existence? I am glad you were able to add something interesting and knowledgeable to the converastion Rae. Now off to respond to your 'mum' Reznor "Comfort being wrapped inside the blanket of darkness..." (Property of Reznor)
Reznor Daemon Soul Posts: 388 (6/18/02 1:51 pm) Reply	Re: Existence? Wow, that is quite the manifesto. I sure hope that isn't going to be your only post, since I haven't seen something that lengthy on here in awhile. Now for my rebuttal. First thing, I don't think you are a religious fanatic, in fact I thought you presented your belief very well. Why would a God need to be jealous? What purpose would that serve? And wouldn't there be a huge fight if there was jealous amongst several Gods? Nature is always fighting to be the head of the food chain, so why wouldn't the Gods that created nature do the same? Now I would agree that all of the people in different religions are worshipping to the same thing... they just don't know it. I would say that the stronger your belief is, the stronger your response will be and, the closer you will feel to that being. I don't think it is a God. In fact, I would consider it kind of insulting to name whatever it is. I don't think there is an all powerful God that exists, and if there is... then people should hold that God accountable to the heinous acts that are done on this planet. People are very quick to give 'God' praise for the wonderful things that happen, but never gets mentioned when thousands of people are slaughtered. The holocaust for example... how many thousands of people were slaughtered during the holocaust? And for what reason? Where was the loving, caring God when all of these people were tortured and killed? I prefer to think of life as a circuit of energy. There is good and evil in the world... I know this because I can feel the both... and I have a lot of them both. I know that my being is rather dark and evil in nature, but that also doesn't mean I don't have free will. I do plenty of good things for people, and I do love, but I am also capable to being just has terrible a person. But will God stop me from doing something terrible to someone? I don't intend on hurting anybody in my lifetime because I know it to be wrong... but I don't believe that there is an omnipotent being who is in control of any of it. I think that life is merely energy... a force the flows through all of us, and binds us to nature, and the universe around us, but with life... there must be balance. Balance of good and evil... balance of life versus death. The problem here is that Christians, and many other religions are able to dismiss the terrible things that have happened during humanities stay on Earth by humans having "free will" and the devil creating the evils in man. But if this is so, then why do people give God thanks for the good things in life, when it was their free will that did it? Wouldn't it be possible to say that God is an absentee-landlord? We were merely placed here, and then forgotten about? Left to flourish, or to meet our demise? Wow... this is fun. Rezzner "Comfort being wrapped inside the blanket of darkness..." (Property of Reznor)
Raes Mom62 Newly Born Posts: 2 (6/18/02 3:46 pm) Reply	Re: Existence? hey... can i help if rae don't share her toys? you guys have heard from me before via her ... but nice to be able to do this... been a long time since I had a discussion like this... ok.. the jealou part was to demonstrate that there is more than one ---- you asked--- and yes if we are made in their image then they would have emotions like us and so forth and lets face it - even with us what purpose does jealousy sever? none except to stir things up and create problems - which is why i don't get jealous - (and i really don't) I'd rather call him GOD than 'hey you'..... names are only insulting if intended that way .... names are labels/identifiers/gifts hey hey take it easy ... the rotten things that happen - happen - if you start laying blame then everyone gets smeared- yes He has been responsible for some really rotten things - but not necessarily all - after all we do have free will and we also have gifts and strengths that can create some really ugly messes too.... c'est la vie the point is to fix/repair/heal the rifts/rotteness not make them worse.... as for being held accountable .... got kids? well i do and when i screw up ... don't need anyone holding it over my head or holding me accountable ... i'm pretty good at doing that myself... easier to understand and forgive someone else than one's self.... i know... and i also know all about dark... and how do you know that some of the rottenness is not the gods getting jealous or fighting? kinda of rotten to inflict it on us huh? well, let's look at it a different way.... you ask God for something, the next person asks for something, and so on .... ever wonder how many conflicts this causes and who should he answer? people praying for peace, others praying to win the war, others praying for vengance, what would you do????????????? me ... i'm for keeping it simple.... start small .. start close.... let the ripples take it out... don't TELL people what to think - MAKE them think - big difference and key to free will - we have too may sheeps in this world... good enough for my ma good enough for me.... well so and so said so it must be true.... have to go along or they make fun of me..... who are you????? i was made to think and have never stopped .... tried to do the same with my kids but not sure how well i succeeded.... [rae - what you think?] and another thing.... who defines good and bad? what is good and bad? and how do you know/prove it???? the holocust???? well I know where i would have been .... reaching out and pulling in .... but that was man and evil and although he is powerful .... @#%$..... this one is ....... not easy.... even harder because i've been in similar situation .... i guess it boils down to how much control can he exert before he takes away free will - anyone's free will - why should making choices be any easier for him then us - bodies may have been slaughtered but i know the spirits were safe and the ones who survived ???? well it ain't easy but he is there to help ..... but you have to let him.... and in a situation like that - trusting him to help is the hardest thing in the world to do - too much for many to do and yea quick to give him credit for the good - but it's not really like you think either ... i know lots of people who are just as quick to give him the blame too... just depends on who you know and talk to... you're right there is good and evil in the world ... have to have balance or there is chaos.... and already admitted that he is energy .... but not there ... shakes head don't think so .... there is something that is like a someone.... plain energy has no emotion ..... and it depends on what you mean by stop you from hurting someone.... physically/mentally/spiritually how do you mean for him to stop you and how do you know that he hasn't/doesn't ? if your best friend wanted to committ sucide how would you stop him/her? can you stop them without restricting their free will? when man can to be .... he was given/gifted with/cursed with free will..... and he was FREE ..... and he used that free will to do something he had been advised (not forced) not to do.... and in doing so came to know what freedom really is and is not.... and thus cursed/blessed mankind familar with the saying "ignorance is bliss" well ... it is we are made in his image - maybe not physical - but definitely spiritually - and thus with the same capabilities - what would you do if you were god? or better yet ... if you go back into your past and change one thing (in you past history) - what would it be????? now think of the ripples that change makes - are they all good/all bad/so so/worth it? and now the clincher .... would you still be the same person? i agree that we are all part of an energy force ...... damn!!! lost it sorry got interrupted and lost the thought... need to get home anyway so chew on this and i'll be back who would ever believe that thinking was fun?? lol "seek and you will find"
Reznor Daemon Soul Posts: 398 (6/20/02 11:28 am) Reply	Re: Existence? Wow... if I thought the original post was long... I wasn't expecting this. First off, jealousy isn't always a bad thing. Now I will admit it can get way out of control, and at that point it serves little or not purpose. Jealousy will sometimes remind you that you need to appreciate what you have in life because you might be on the verge of losing it. Kind of like a wake up call... As for the title thing, I would agree... solely on the fact that we need names to label objects and ideas because you can't discuss them otherwise. As for blame... I am definitely hold enough, and wise enough to understand that things happen, and I am not going to dispute that. What I will dispute is the fact that so many are quick to give god praise of the planet and the wonders around us... but never think to look at the negative side of it. There are a lot of terrible things that happen to people everyday. I won't go into the holocaust again, but what about the woman who has her child killed by a car that drives to close to the side walk as they reach out to get a ball? What about the man who needs a blood transfusion, and then finds out ten years later that he contracted AIDS from the blood? Where is god's love and generiosity in those events? I refuse to give god credit for a single thing because if I begin to give credit, I then need to scrutinze them for it. I am proposing an idea that there is no god. There is merely life. Life as an energy just flows and continues to move. The world never stops... it continues to go, and our history shows this, but I don't think that is because of the hand of god. If I would rather give the life a better name that god because calling it god then puts a label on it saying that it should be held accountable for the positive, and the negative aspects of life. So I do believe that there is more to life than my own existence sitting here in front of this computer, but I do not believe that it is an omnipotent being because of there was such a thing, that why would they not make themselves know? By the bible? The bible was created by man! And what happens to men who think they have talked to angels or god? Where do they end up now? Institutions. As for my actions and what keeps me from doing terrible things... it's me! I accept for responsibility for my actions, and I will accept the consequences! As life runs its course, I will make the decisions that are beneficial to my life, and I do not believe that they are the working of someone else because of my free will. I think that the argument that god gave man free will is merely a coptout for not taking responsibility for oneself. And yes, thinking and debating is a lot of fun... I'm ready for more. Reznor Edited by: Reznor at: 6/22/02 5:04:24 am
Raes Mom62 Newly Born Posts: 6 (6/21/02 9:05 pm) Reply	Re: Existence? good thing I ran out of time... could have been much much longer... lol try this on for size ... how about god not a being but an essence.... ?????? and such essence being a part of each and every person and thing.... ?????? there is something... for me it is more comfortable and familiar to think of this something as 'God'.... but not everyone has to or must feel/think the same.... BUT each person should be willing and conscience of accepting others views and opinions without condemnation or criticism ... as for getting credit for the good and nothing else ... most do not want an idol/god with clay feet... makes them too real/human.... but to me that is what he is... clay footed religion over the years has moved from being a teaching to an art... fiction instead of truth .... mostly I think b/c most people can't/won't accept the truth.... to me God is more like the seasons.... the spring of creation ... the summer of growth and learning.... the fall of destruction/cleansing..... the winter of rest/renewal.... if he healed every sick person... stopped every crime..... made all bad things go away .... where would free will go?????
Raes Mom62 Newly Born Posts: 7 (6/21/02 9:14 pm) Reply	Re: Existence? one more thing to chew on... let's pretend you have a child (6-7 yrs old) ... you taught the child that she/he would get burned if they touched the heater when it was on.... now the child touches the heater and gets burned ... whose fault is it???? yours???? the childs??? fates??? Gods??? hmmmm why did the child do it when they knew what would happen??
radical edwardo This Kitty Bites Posts: 98 (6/21/02 9:59 pm) Reply	Re: Existence? Does God exist? I believe so. I think of god as an entity that takes many shapes and has many names. I'm not sure about being omnipotent. Perhaps god is but chooses not to use that ability. *Quote:* the child touches the heater and gets burned ... whose fault is it???? yours???? the childs??? fates??? Gods??? hmmmm why did the child do it when they knew what would happen?? I don't think the parent is at fault. You teach your child and hope they listen but ultimately they make their own choices. The child may have decided to touch the heater for the experience. Soft murmuring noise Signifying contentment Pet me and I purr
Reznor Daemon Soul Posts: 476 (7/10/02 12:29 pm) Reply	Re: Existence? I apologize to everyone for my lack of activity on this subject. It was a serious subject that required more thought, and my college courses have stolen most of my attention. Anyway, on to the topic at hand... As for condemning people for their views, I would not think of doing such a thing. I may think that their views are incorrect, but they are entitled to believe whatever they choose. For the most part, I disagree with the bible and the Christian version of God, but that doesn't mean I am going to condemn people who do believe in it. I just don't agree... I think that there is a nature essence... something that flows through us all, that surrounds us, and binds us. (Yes that is a Star Wars quote, but give me a break) I refuse to give that essence, the life, that energy a name like God because I believe it is blasphemous. To give it a name like God is to give it control and omnipotent power, when I think it creates life, not necessary controls it. (This is not me condemning you for your ideals either... just stating my own opinion.) As for the truth, I could go on quite the rant about truth, and people, especially 'normal' humans hiding from the truth. I won't attack humans, because I am in a human body, and there is nothing that is going to change that. But, people are always hiding from the truth, and it is really unfortunate. The truth isn't such a terrible thing, and in fact, one could make the argument that with a little truth comes understanding, with understanding comes wisdom. There is the other issue that there is no absolute truth. We all have ideas of what the truth is, but I am not sure that anybody really knows until we get there. Now, I have what I think is the truth, but I am not sure anybody can be completely certain. As for the seasons and such... I believe the same thing, but it is nature's cycle of life. It runs its course like everything does. Where would free will go? I understand that 'God' should wrong every right... but you know what, some wrongs are inexcusable, and should have never happened! The Crusades, the Holocaust, etc... With your child getting burned scenario... I think it is the childs fault, but part of that is because I don't believe there is an all powerful God controlling things. I believe in acceptable responsibility for my own actions and for the things going on my life, like burning myself on a hot stove. There is no God controlling my world, nor my actions so of course I would blame him/her/it for that action. I think 'God' is a wonderful way for people to remove responsibility from themselves because it is "God's Will". Things happen because it is "God's Will." It is God's will to get you such a great job, God's will to bless you will children, but then it is the work of the devil if something terrible happens, or else it was God's will and why? Well, they can never explain why, but it just is. It is also a wonderful of dismissing their 'sins'. "I can do whatever I want, and as long as I honestly, and truthfully accept Christ as my savior, I will be okay." So, child rapists, and murders are allowed to get away with their heinous crimes as long as they repent for them, and accept Christ as their savior. Yet another example of people easing their minds of the weight of their guilt for the things they have done, when they should just accept what they've done, take responsibility for it and move on. Radical Edwardo... let me pose this question to you. If God was really omnipotent, and God put man on this planet, then why would he/she/it sit back and watch their suffering? A good joke? Some mid-day entertainment? Reznor "The only thing I fear, is not being worthy of my sufferings." (Viktor Frankl)
radical edwardo This Kitty Bites Posts: 111 (7/12/02 5:19 am) Reply	Re: Existence? Reznor, With all the life on this planet, why would you assume God is interested in the affairs of people primarily? For all the species of insects on Earth, those could be God's favorite creatures. Perhaps God would rather people create their own happiness. Edo Soft murmuring noise Signifying contentment Pet me and I purr
Reznor Daemon Soul Posts: 511 (7/16/02 12:22 pm) Reply	Re: Existence Then isn't it possible the "God" doesn't care at all? maybe that entity is an absentee landlord who just set up shop, and left. I would believe that concept a lot more than God being an all powerful being that has it's hand on life, and guides it. Reznor Edited by: Reznor at: 7/16/02 12:50:50 pm
radical edwardo This Kitty Bites Posts: 125 (7/17/02 6:01 am) Reply	Re: Existence Is it important that a diety cares to simply exist? Does a diety need to be a guiding influence to be seen as all powerful and omnipresent?
Reznor Daemon Soul Posts: 531 (7/20/02 10:19 am) Reply	Re: Existence Yes a deity can merely exist, but I was making a point against one being all powerful and omnipotent while being gentle and kind and having a hand in everyone's life guiding it. I think it is entirely possible for a deity to merely exist. When asked, it may help those who are requesting its assistance but I was arguing the point that Rae'sMom was making about God and not necessarily yours. I think that deity's may exist, but I am not sure as of yet if they do or not but I will be the last person to say that they don't. What I am saying is that I think the Christian form of worship and their beliefs I think are incorrect. Reznor
Marquise New Toy Posts: 12 (7/26/02 10:12 am) Reply	Re: Existence? Have I missed something, or is everyone talking about god as singular? Is there any place in this for a pagan? I believe that there are many gods, that these gods take on the appearances that we expect as it would ensure comfort to us in their presence. The gods are not omnipotent and omniscient. They are bound by rules and laws just as we are. They cannot remake us if we are unhappy with our looks because they are bound by the laws and rules affecting us and our world. If we ask them for protection and it is within their ability to grant it and we ahve indeed earned it - then it is given. To me the gods are forces of nature and the universe. They are diverse and should be studied and respected in each of the different incarnations - be it a gentle parent or a ravening warrior or even the destructive force of change which is Chaos the Dragon. To look at a god and say I was made in their image and that is what the look like is arrogant and ignores the rest of nature that was also made in the image of the gods. All life reflects the divinity. In what are called myths are stories of gods that could change form to mist or animal or anythign they chose as long as it was within their realm of influence. Dionysius cannot have affect in a war because he is of love just like Hekate cannot rule the summerlands as she is of the dark she is the guide to the afterlife and the midwife to the new born - in both aspects she guides life to light. The gods order life but the form takes on its own shape due to circumstances and environs. It is easier if you think on them as being like us, sentient beings, with inherant abilities and knowledge we do not possess. They take a bit of what they caused to be through their combined efforts and create more. Form follows function - as it is called in the engineering world. When the design of the creation is mandated by its purpose. We can question it and study it down to the nth detail but ti is still a mystery at its deepest levels - such as the soul level. As for pushing blame on the gods for all of the ills in the world... Only those that believe in the one god system see it as good versus evil. The rest see the balance. Horrible, ugly and brutal but it is still balance. You cannot have light without dark, you cannot have life without death and you cannot have good without bad. Think science. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. Now apply it. In the gods there is a good for every bad. In the walkign world there is a good for every evil or the world would tear itself apart. We are all imbued with certain gifts, talents and abilities by the gods. What we do with those gifts determines much. What kind of appreciation do we show divinity if we ignore the abilities we have in favor of constantly droppign to our knees and begging to be saved? If it is within our own ability to do somethign about it, we are supposed to. To be dependant on your brother for you safety is just as bad as perpetuating wrongs. You are taking advantage of another in both situations. We are all ultimately responsible for ourselves. Yes, there are times when we do need help and asking is a good thing because it permits another who is able to expend their gifts to help us. It is when we give up on our own resources and rely on that other that we welcome the outcome. Child molestation is indeed a horrible crime. But who is ultimately responsible? The gods that created a predator? The gods for not stepping in and stopping a predator? Or is it the people that abused that person and made him or her the monster they are? Sure some peopel are inherently wrong inside and for no real reason prey on others... but should we assign blame to the gods when a parent is lazy about watching their child and it gets taken? "Oh this is a nice neighborhood nothign happens here" that is passing the buck. That is placing the safety of your child in another's hands because you can't be bothered. You talk of wars... the holocaust specifically. What was done was ndeed horrbile, but at any time people could have looked at things, known they were wrong and stepped up and had them stopped. It doesn't lie with the gods but the people. We have been granted so much yet we toss it aside and refuse responsibility wanting to be taken care of and fetted as though we are eternal children. We are not and we should learn our place and our responsibilities. Things happen, not because of a lack of divine intercession but because we have lost the ability to see within us that which is of the divine and act upon it. (please excuse the many typos I am lazy today) =^..^= Syphaerit... �� o� � ��
Reznor Daemon Soul Posts: 559 (7/29/02 12:28 pm) Reply	Re: Existence? wide eyed That was lazy? That was quite the post Marquise, and I agree with you. Especially in the responsibility thing. I think it is wrong to blame Gods and outside forces for the wronging of others. I was only making the point that a lot of Christians that I know are very quick to give thanks to God for so many things, but never take into consideration the terrible things. I think that things are not guided by Gods because people are left to choose things for themselves. I think the Gods are... nature, and the universe around me. I really like the Star Wars concept of spirituality... that life is an energy... a life force that lives in all of us, binding us all together and binding everyone/everything together creates balance because there is good and evil, right and wrong on both sides of the spectrum. I think your explanation of Gods was very good. I would agree with, even when I haven't thought about Gods much. I have thought about supernatural forces or beings, but not much in the way of Gods and I think you're explanation was superb. We are all born with skills and abilities, and I also think that it is our responsibility to use the abilities to help ourselves, and those around us who we feel need it. So Marquise, in the case of the child molester... who would you say is at fault? I know that is kind of an open question since there is no other clues as to why, or background, but I am curious none-the-less. As for the holocaust... I think sometimes there are just terrible things that happen... and we have little control of them. The Nazi's could have been fought... and they weren't. A bad situation became much worse, very quickly. I was reading a book called "Night" (Don't remember the author) and he remembered the Jews in his town willingly leaving and not fighting the Nazi's when they could have and maybe they would not have went into the concentration camps... maybe if all the Jews had done that, the war would not have happened. Don't get me wrong... I am not saying that what happened wasn't terrible, only that it might have been handled differently. Reznor Edited by: Reznor at: 7/30/02 3:33:34 am
Marquise New Toy Posts: 15 (7/29/02 3:01 pm) Reply	Re: Existence? As for the child molester... everyone who saw him, everyone who suspected and even himself. We have turned child molestation into this illness when it is not. That person is responsible for his/her own actions. If they were ill they'd cry out for help not lurk in the shadows and do it again and again. =^..^= Syphaerit... �� o� � ��
Reznor Daemon Soul Posts: 563 (7/30/02 3:41 am) Reply	Re: Existence? Oh that is a much larger topic just screaming to be created. This world, well, at least America has done its best to turn almost everything into an illness and what is happening is that it is making it easier for people to remove responsibility off of themselves. Americans appear to have real serious issues about holding themselves accountable for their own actions. Yes, we can hold the Taliban and other groups accountable for the things they do, but when it comes to Americans... it's an illness. A disease... we should help them. Well guess what, all that mentality is really doing is creating nice innovative ways for criminals to slip out of being held responsible. It is pretty damn easy to commit a crime and then cry out insanity or that you have a mental illness... sorry but a lot of us have mental issues or mental illnesses and we still function just fine. If you are well enough to be out within the public, I don't think their illness is really that bad. Reznor Like I said, this could be a much larger topic. How about how we are raising a bunch of whimpy kids? So many parents are freaked out about spanking their children now, not because they might abuse the child, but because they might get turned in for abuse.

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