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Unfallen Angel
Corporal Posts: 108 (12/24/02 1:28 pm) Reply |
Here's a thought... Okay, so for my Creative Writing class I had to write a poem that included personification - giving humanlike qualities to an inhuman thing. So, saying that foxes are crafty is personification, because foxes are just animals. People are crafty. Anyway, I started thinking about attributes like love... And I wondered about writing a poem about God, and His love, thinking at first that it would be personification... but then I realized that if anything, saying that people love is actually an act of deification - giving divine qualities to ungodly things! So is our love a human thing, or is it actually the reflection of God in us, like sunlight on the moon? The bible says that God is love, right? Or maybe only certain kinds of love are Godly, and others are strictly human. Perhaps this even gets into the "made in His image" thing? I've got quite a mess here, can any of you help me sort it out? - - Unfallen |
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SirNukes
Cow Master Posts: 2023 (12/24/02 2:35 pm) Reply |
Re: Here's a thought...
What is man but God's attempt at deification? Maybe I just don't see where you're coming from, but I'm not very confused. Man is special because God gave him certain qualities - free will, intellect, individuality, the ability to build relationships, and therefore to love. Sin, of course, corrupted us... but whoever said that it took away the qualities that make us special? If that were the case, we would have been a failed creation and our very existence would be pointless.
So then, love is both human and a reflection of God. Anything created reflects some aspect of its creator, but does so by having certain independant qualities of its own. I suppose your problem arises from trying to pick between the two. As for different kinds of love, I don't really buy that. To me, there is only one love, even though certain other things are often referred to using the same word. Love, imo, is selflessness. Other things (infatuation and the like) can often be boiled down to being either true love or selfish... and often a mix of the two. Not that selfishness is bad, of course, just that it is so overwhelming a part of our beings that anything not selfish is special (love). Well, I hoped I saw where you were coming from and helped out.
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TCWalt Sergeant Posts: 161 (12/27/02 11:16 am) Reply |
Re: Here's a thought... Um...I have to disagree with Brent's statement that there is only one kind of love. Isn't the love I have for the Lord different than the love I give my husband? Better yet, the love I have for my friends is FAR different than the love I have for my parents. At least, imo. Not to mention my love for God, isn't it different than your love or anyone elses love for Him? Maybe I am just simple minded....but I think every one has the ability to have different types of love. Some people just don't use it. Christie |
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SirNukes
Cow Master Posts: 2024 (12/27/02 12:41 pm) Reply |
Re: Here's a thought... Ah, but you are using a vastly different definition for love than I am. You seem to define love as an affectionate relationship. And since relationships are based generally on experiences together and choices about one another, they are different for each person. And yes, family, friends, spouse, and God would all be different. But why is that love? Can a dog love, simply because it likes its owner? Does an evil man with evil friends love them? I would say no. Love is different than just an affectionate relationship. It's a choice, more than anything developed. It's the choice to provide someone some benefit at the cost of your own wellbeing. It doesn't have to be for family, friends, spouse or God; it can be done for a complete stranger or even an enemy. Is giving up something to serve God, giving up something to serve a friend, or giving up something to serve a stranger really all that different? I would say they are all the same thing, and that thing is love. Our disagreement is a matter of definition, and I like mine better.
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TCWalt Sergeant Posts: 164 (12/30/02 11:22 am) Reply |
Re: Here's a thought... My most unfavorite thing to do on this board is get in a disagreement with you Brent...you have a much better way of explaining yourself and stating your point. However... Christie |
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SirNukes
Cow Master Posts: 2027 (12/31/02 5:38 pm) Reply |
Re: Here's a thought... Well, it could just be that you are seeing an undefineable side to love that I am missing. You are, after all, much more mature than I am, and much more experienced to boot. I haven't had a girlfriend, never had a solid friend, and never was all that fond of my family (except for my sister). For me, it's a struggle to love others, and maybe that's why I see it as an active choice that takes an effort. However, in response to the cost, I'd say that what one gives up is not necissarily limited to materiel things. Indeed, I mainly think along the lines of time and pride (and others, but mainly those two). Time is a commodity, after all, so that's not too hard to explain. But pride.. that's an interesting one, and more can be said on it than I would ever think of. But I'm mainly thinking that to set someone else above yourself, to make their wellbeing more important than your own, is a blow to your pride. Thus, to love, you must give up part of that pride (perhaps not always, but sometimes). Having a lot of pride myself, that stands out to me. That's all I have to say at the moment. (To be honest, there's quite a bit on my mind right now besides this thread, as important as the subject is.) And don't worry about disagreeing with me too much; I am thankful that you did. Among my greatest flaws that I have recognized is my own pride, particularly in my intelligence. To be corrected helps me with my problem. And in addition to that, it causes me to rethink my veiws more often than not (except on lord of the rings!!!!).
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SirNukes
Cow Master Posts: 2029 (1/1/03 5:01 pm) Reply |
Re: Here's a thought... I think what I speak of is applied love. Love itself is, perhaps, an emotion or attachment. But, being undefineable itself, I define it by it's presence in our choices. So you are probably more right than I am, tcwalt.
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TCWalt Sergeant Posts: 166 (1/2/03 12:02 pm) Reply |
Re: Here's a thought... No, I agree, you make a very good point regarding pride and giving up one's self for the sake of your love for another. I hadn't thought of it that way. I do give up some of my pride to stand "behind my man". I don't think my pride has much to do with the love for my parents or the Lord, but when loving another person. (not of one's family) you are right, I do give up some things. I have moved all over the country to follow my military husband around, missed seeing my own parents for years at a time, etc. But I would do it all over again if given another chance. And PLEASE don't apologize for being you! That is my favorite part about this board, it wouldn't be the same if we ALL AGREED ALL THE TIME!! You have a gift that should not be set aside. Christie |
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