I just finished it - Misc Notes on Harry Potter 4
Well, I just finished Harry Potter & The Goblet of Fire. By far the best Harry Potter book yet! I loved it. Some misc notes on it, some of the things I will outline have major spoilers, but those are in between the spoiler alert, so if ya haven't finished yet, you can skip to beyond the spoilers.
- Hmmmmmmmmmm........is anyone else thinking the "Tri-Wizard Tournament" was originally called the "Doomspell Tournament" aka the long rumored title of HP4. That's something to think bout.
- Woah, the ending completly rocked. I'll go more into the ending later on between the spoiler warnings.
- Great to see a lot of characters from past books, such as Sirius, Dobby, Myrtle, etc. return. But where was Lupin? I was looking forward to seeing Lupin helping Harry or something but it never happened.
- I'm still waiting for Harry and Hermione to start dating. Ron may date Hermione for a while in the future books, but Harry will end up with her by the end of the series.
- I definently was not expecting the death of Cedric Diggory. Damn, he was just starting to become an interesting character and then he dies.
- I absolutly LOVED the ghosts (or whatever they were) of Lily and James Potter appearing to help Harry in his battle with Voldemort! It was great!
- Hmmmmm........so we never met the actual Moody till the end of the book, where he didn't do anything. Which means thus far there has only be one cool Defense Against The Dark Arts teacher, and that was Lupin.
- Woah, Voldemort is returned to full power and Fudge doesn't do anything about it?!? Woah.
- Is it just me, or did anyone else think that Hagrid saying "Great man, Dumbledore. 'S long as we got him, I'm not to worried" was subtle foreshadowing that Dumbledore will die in the last book? I hope not, but it sure sounded like foreshadowing to me...............
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Anyways, that's just some thoughts that came to my head after reading it. Does anyone agree with me on this? Especially on the last one in the spoiler warning regarding Dumbledore
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hello. I've never posted here, hope noone minds. I finished the fourth book on Tuesday, and it really was great! Only, I didn't look for foreshadowing. Wish i had. And mabey you're right, NightTraveler, mabey Dumbledor will die. I actually don't expect Harry and Hermione to date,though, but i think Ron likes Hermione, and vice versa. Yeah, i'd say that that was my fave book too, JK Rowling seemed to take it up a notch, made it more grisly sort of. That was good! Bet it was called the Doomspell Tournament (i though it was about Quidditch) but i think mabey JK Rowlings changed it to make it seem friendlier.
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I'm a new poster here, I have read the fourth and I really enjoyed it, and I agree with most of what you said, but the thing that really had me wondering in the end was the part where ...
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When Harry was telling Dumbledore and Sirius what happened to him, he mentioned how Voldemort could touch his face now without being harmed and then something flickered in Dumbledore's eyes, like triumph. Harry figured he had just imagined it, but if it didn't mean anything would Rowling have put it in?? It's on page 604. So what's that all about, why would Dumbledore feel triumphant that Voldemort can touch Harry? Any thoughts?
Re: I just finished it - Misc Notes on Harry Potter 4
I loved the book. SPOILER btw, even though I think everyone knows that.
I wasn't expecting Cedric's death either. It makes sense, though. He was a major character for that book, but minor for the overall series. Plus, this conveniently frees up Cho Chang for Harry in HP5 .
I bet Fudge shuts down Hogwarts, or at least replaces Dumbledore. And why does Dumbledore keep insisting that Snape is a good guy?? It's obvious that Hagrid's task is to find the giants, but I wonder what Snape is up to.
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yeah, i was going to say all that. Hagrid is going of with madame maxime to look for the giants. Also what ben said, it was clever to make cedric die because if you hadn't read the book, you would have never guessed. I have nothing else to add now. I'll add later.
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Quote: When Harry was telling Dumbledore and Sirius what happened to him, he mentioned how Voldemort could touch his face now without being harmed and then something flickered in Dumbledore's eyes, like triumph. Harry figured he had just imagined it, but if it didn't mean anything would Rowling have put it in?? It's on page 604. So what's that all about, why would Dumbledore feel triumphant that Voldemort can touch Harry? Any thoughts?
I actually had a theory on that. I think Dumbledore know who Moody was the entire book. And he wanted Voldemort to be resurrected using Harry's blood. But it wasn't for evil. It was for a greater good. I have a theory that having part of Harry in him will be Voldemort's downfall. Voldemort is now carrying part of Harry in him. And I think there is more to Lily's death than we ever expected. There is supposedly a HUGE revelation about Lily in the last book, and I think part of it is the protection spell that she put on harry is stronger and different than we ever thought. I have a feeling that there is something inside Harry that can defeat Voldemort, and only Lily, James, and Dumbledore knew about it. So when he saw Harry's name coming out of the Goblet of Fire, he sorta realized who Moody really was. Dumbledore never told Moody he knew who he was and he let him continue Voldemorts plan for the greater good. Because there is something about Harry, and now that Harry's blood was instrumental in Voldemort's ressurrection. And it wwill also be instrumental in Voldemort's death. How it will be, I have no idea, but I have a feeling it will
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good idea. Also, it sorta evens it out, Voldemort now has a part of Harry, and harry, as always, has a part of Voldemort. That probally means nothing though. Harry having Voldemorts twin wand could have something to do with his death too. Harry could keep on doing thast web thing. Also, do you think that both their wands havning the feather of Fawkes mean anything?
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Yes I believe that Harry and Voldemort having Fawkes feather in their wand will be a VERY important part of the Harry Potter saga. But I feel there is another issue that I must bring up. That is Snape. Snape was given a helluva lotta depth in GoF. We found out more about his background. Now I have hated Snape since Book 1, but after reading GoF, I did a a complete 180 on how I view Snape. I went from hating him to, dare I say it, liking him. GoF secured Snape as one of my favorite characters. And I feel now that Snape will be instrumental in the final destruction of Voldemort. Here's my theory. In the 7th book Snape becomes the Defense Against The Dark Arts Teacher. Over the course of the last few books, his perception of some of the students have changed. He no longer favors Draco by Book 7 because he knows that Lucius is still a Death Eater. Over the last book, Snapes starts to get rid of his hatred of Harry Potter inside, but doesn't show it till near the end. I figure and the end of the book, we've got Harry vs. Voldemort in the final showdown. Draco has gone completly to the dark side and has become one of Voldemorts most loyal Death Eater. Eventually Harry starts to get overpowered by Voldemort and it looks like Harry is done with. But here comes Snape! Snape completly gets rid of his hatred of Harry and ends up saving Harry's life, yet having Voldemort take Snape's life at the same time. In other word, Snape dies so Harry can live. Then my above theory of Voldemort having a piece of Harry inside him comes into effect and Harry is able to use this "achille's (sp?) heel" of sorts against Voldemort thus getting rid of Voldemort once and for all. So basically if it wasn't for Snape's last act of bravery, Harry wouldn't have been able to destroy Voldemort. And millions of Potter fans dream of Snape dying will have come true, but here is the kicker. We will all be beyond sad about Snape's death because of his last act alive and because of the change that he had
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That's awsome! that would be so cool if that really happened. Maybe if Harry does the web thing with Voldemort enough, the stuff that comes out of the wand will stay!
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Right now I am working out what the HUGE revelation bout Lily will be. Cause it has been said by some of the biggest and most reliable HP sites that there will be a HUGE revelation about Lily Potter in book 7. Whenever I finish working out my specualtion on it, I will post it here
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I'm thinking Snape might act as a spy again and attempt to get close to Voldemort since that's what he did before. It would of course be allot harder and more dangerous this time since he didn't show up when Voldemort called the Death Eaters, but I still think Snape might try something along those lines. I think that might have been what Dumbledore was getting at.
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Quote: I actually had a theory on that. I think Dumbledore know
who Moody was the entire book. And he wanted Voldemort
to be resurrected using Harry's blood. But it wasn't for evil.
It was for a greater good. I have a theory that having part of
Harry in him will be Voldemort's downfall. Voldemort is now
carrying part of Harry in him.
Great theory, I had never thought about it that way. It certainly makes sense, especially since Rowling has been suggesting that there is something exceptional about Harry since book 1. At the same time, if Dumbledore knew about Moody and the reason Harry's name ended up in the Goblet why did he let it happen? I mean, you might be right about the greater good, but there was a good chance Harry could have died at the hands of Voldemort, in which case, Dumbledore was taking a huge risk with Harry's life.
About Snape, I heard he is going to be redeemed in a later book and I definately agree that he will be instramental in the fall of Voldemort.
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I like you're theory about Harry, Voldemort, and Snape so far,NightTraveler, but i really hope that Malfoy DOESN"T become bad. I mean, wouldn't it be just like every other book, where the childhood nemisis (sp?) becomes the evil villan, and tries to kill the hero? I think, that mabey JK Rowling will have Malfoy turn to the dark side for most of the rest of the series, but then, he may realize just what he's getting into, and try to back out. I hope, anyways, that something like that happens.Who knows, mabey DRaco MAlfoy will become the next headmaster of Hogwarts?
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Quote: I mean, you might be right about the greater good, but there was a good chance Harry could have died at the hands of Voldemort, in which case, Dumbledore was taking a huge risk with Harry's life.
*shakes head*
I seriously doubt that. I'm thinking Dumbledore did something to help Harry. Possibly a Protection Spell of some kind.
Quote: I'm thinking Snape might act as a spy again and attempt to get close to Voldemort since that's what he did before. It would of course be allot harder and more dangerous this time since he didn't show up when Voldemort called the Death Eaters, but I still think Snape might try something along those lines. I think that might have been what Dumbledore was getting at.
Nope, it can't be that. Remember, 6 Death Eaters didn't show up there. 3 were dead. The fourth was Voldemort's "most loyal subject". That was Crouch's son. The fifth was "too cowardly to return, he will pay." That was Karkaroff. And the last was "One, who I believe has left me forever ... he will be killed of course". The one who has left Voldemort forever IS Snape. Thus snape can't be a spy, cause Voldemort KNOWS he left him for good!
Quote: Who knows, mabey DRaco MAlfoy will become the next headmaster of Hogwarts?
That was by far the funniest Harry Potter theory I have ever, EEEEEEEEEEEVVVVVVVEEEEEEERRRRRRRR heard!
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Quote: Nope, it can't be that. Remember, 6 Death Eaters didn't
show up there. 3 were dead. The fourth was Voldemort's
"most loyal subject". That was Crouch's son. The fifth was
"too cowardly to return, he will pay." That was Karkaroff.
And the last was "One, who I believe has left me forever ...
he will be killed of course". The one who has left Voldemort
forever IS Snape. Thus snape can't be a spy, cause
Voldemort KNOWS he left him for good!
Good point. Hmmm, this has me really wondering about Snape now ... although I suppose it's possible that Snape doesn't realise that Voldemort knows about him and still attempts to get close to him, in which case he would probably land himself in allot of hot water. Aside from that theory, I have no idea what Snape and Dumbledore have planned.
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i doubt it, but it is possible that Snape was the coward, and Karkaoff the on e who left lem, but I highly doubt that. Just a suggestion.
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Wow, NightTraveler! Those are some very good ideas. What you envision for Snape is a lot what I see for him.
I can easily see, though, Voldemort using Snape to mislead Dumbledore by feeding him misinformation. Snape's no fool, though, and could easily figure this out. However, if Voldemort does it in such a way that no one believe's Snape anymore, that could be bad.
Yeah, I had a twinge of concern at that comment about Dumbledore, too. I can see him sacrificing himself for Harry, ala Ben Kenobi in Star Wars and about 50 gazillion other mentors. (James Campbell, anyone?)
I'm interested to find out what kind of protection there is at the Dursleys. I hope we do.
One thing I've been really impressed with JKR is the fact that she draws the most random facts and ovservations from previous books and makes whole plot points out of them. For example, in Bk. 2, Dumbledore comments that Voldemort's last known location was Albania, and in Bk. 4, it's an important piece of information.
I don't see Fudge closing Hogwarts. I mean, he might try, but I doubt at this point there's any way Dumbeldore would close it and send the kids home, since closing it would be a baaaaad thing.
I personally was glad to see Malfoy deflated a lot since his dad was no longer a governor, but having him back in with Voldemort, well, that could mean bad things for Hogwarts.
*pondering look* I wonder if we'll have a new Potions teacher, then, and who it'll be. *rolls eyes* I hope it isn't Percy.
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Oh, and you know, I just would LOVE to have Voldemort try to blast Harry, but have the wand turn into a rat or something, thanks to Fred and George.
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hmm...
I've been reading this whole thread, and I'm just going to add my opinion to a lot of stuff right now.
- About the Doomspell Tournament name, I think that could be a possibility. It certainly was pretty similar to what GOF was about..
- I loved the ending too. I'm actually quite pleased that Voldemort's been resurrected . I mean, there'll be much more action now, possibly deaths, relevations etc. And we might learn more curses. I thought they were pretty interesting.
- I was looking forward to Lupin coming back as well, since he's one of my favourite characters. But he's most probably going to make a reappearance in one of the later books. I hope he teaches again. He was really cool. Actually, when Barty Crouch was pretending to be Mad Eye Moody, he was a pretty cool DATA teacher, even though he was completely crazy.
- I don't think Harry and Hermione will start dating. He never seems to show any real 'lovey' feelings for her, but Ron seems to be fiercely loyal and shows much more affection to Hermione. Well, that's how I see it...
- I didn't want Diggory to die. I thought it was going to be Fred due to the rumours. But Diggory was the coolest Hufflepuff so far, and Rowling killed him off! Maybe he'll be a ghost at Hogwarts now though!
- I hate Fudge more than ever now. I never particularly liked him, but he seems to be so much more mean and prejudiced, and completely stupid (I just think he acts very stupidly sometimes). I think he's a really bad Minister of Magic. He's terrible at his job. He's constantly running to Dumbledore. I think he'll finally succumb to what Dumbledore wants though, or at least I hope se. Fudge isn't strong enough to hold his own ground.
- Well, not being a fan of Dumbledore, I won't mind terribly if he dies. After all, someone important needs to die again. Well, in my opinion anyway. But, if Dumbledore dies, who will be there in the book, to explain all the weird relevations and clues that happened in the course of the book? Dumbledore always explains everything to Harry at the end of Harry's little wars with the Dark Side.
- About Malfoy being headmaster, I actually have heard that rumour before. Apparently someone is going to be revealed in book 5 to be the new headmaster of hogwarts in the future... (i can't vouch for this rumour's accuracy).
- Personally, I think Snape might favour Malfoy, because his dad was an old friend of his, and because he might want to try and win Malfoy's favour so to get Draco onto the Light Side. After all, Lucius is not always that nice to his son, and Snape is particularly pleasant to him, so Draco might be lured to the right track.
- I don't think Draco will become a Death Eater permanently. I think he may be lured to the Dark Side, and maybe become a Death Eater, then get lured back to the Light Side again and stay there. I think he will stop getting his life run by his father eventually.
- Going back to Snape, I think he's a good character. Well, I hope he is anyway! There's more to him than his scowl, that's for sure.
- Oh yeah, ADumbledore, I totally agree with you about hoping Voldemort's wand turns into a rat etc. That would be cool...
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. I mean, there'll be much more action now, possibly deaths, relevations etc. And we might learn more curses. I thought they were pretty interesting.
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