Politics (in the U.S.)

Who is denying their existence? I think most people alive in this day and age don't deny their existence....

There are people who don't believe that ALL of the types of dinosaurs that have been "discovered" existed, but that is because some of the findings have proven to be hoaxes.

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Diplomat A Membru Posts: 220 (10/2/04 2:13 am)	Politics (in the U.S.) I don't know if many people here are following current U.S. politics. I'm guessing not many. But I think Iraq and the November election are too important not to talk about it. I believe the results are going to be disasterous for the country if Bush gets reelected. The first presidential debate revealed a lot about the president. What is most bothersome is not his miscalculation in going to war in Iraq, but his failure to acknowledge his mistakes. It's appalling how he and the administration can just ignore the facts of what's happening in Iraq right now. By practically every analysis, we're going to fail in Iraq with Bush's "plan". People at the Pentagon who tell him so get replaced. He has convinced himself that his beliefs are indisputably correct to the point of delusion. That's a dangerous combination. I don't see how any rational, open-minded person can support Bush at this point. I think the U.S. President should be someone who has intellect and uses reason, but I might be the only one. Any comments? Does anyone think Bush is a better candidate than Kerry?
goddess of nin Membru Posts: 111 (11/9/04 5:23 am)	Re: I'm an amoeba I'd like to suggest reading a book: The Twelfth Planet by Zecharia Sitchin. Although it can't as of yet be categoized in non-fiction, it does pose some interesting ideas on creationism, as well as use ancient civilizations' texts including the bible to support his theories. ----- ~ bow down before the one you serve. you're going to get what you deserve ~
andreeahef Cenzor Posts: 4564 (11/9/04 7:13 am)	Re: I'm an amoeba God obviously did create the world...HOW and WHEN and how long it actually took..He doesn't mention and it's clearly for a reason. I'm sorry but a definition of ignorance is looking outside at nature, at this beautiful world where everything is perfect, functional, somehow connected and with complicated and extremely wicked things such as humans and saying that it just IS or just WAS or just HAPPENED...as if it's all an accident. It's not, it's art and it can't be denied that it's a total sign of love made for our enjoyment. I think it's awesome and I think it needs to be appreciated and it's Creator praised for giving it to us. As for Bush, I'd rather have someone getting some of the info from the right source rather than a dude who ..who knows. The fact of the matter is that Bush rarely spends time by himself figuring things out. He's been known NOT to be that kind of president. He's known for spending time with his advisors and relying on as much knowledge he can get his hands on. This isn't information that has to do with anything Christian, it's the way he handles things in the White House. Totally innocent and uninvolved...and I'll give you candy too!
Diplomat A Membru Posts: 294 (11/9/04 9:45 am)	Re: I'm an amoeba Well, I can't argue with faith. I can only say that there is enough substantial evidence for scientists to paint a pretty clear picture of the history of our universe, from the Big Bang, to the formation of galaxies, to the formation of our solar system, to the formation of the first single-celled life on Earth, to the evolution of multicellular life billions of years later, and to the arrival of the first hominids only a few million years ago. And that's with a pretty accurate timeline to go with it. As for the environment, I'm not sure what you mean by "a dude who ..who knows." "Serious" scientists across the world are unanimous in the fact that human activity is causing global warming and that global warming will have disasterous results if it is allowed to increase. Bush has already been labeled as the worst president in history for environmental policy by independent environmental research groups. I don't pretend to know much about the environment, but I believe that doing nothing is more than a little dangerous. Already the level of mercury in freshwater fish, mercury that originates from coal burning, is enough to poison a pregnant woman's child. So far this administration has done very little about it.
andreeahef Cenzor Posts: 4569 (11/9/04 10:30 am)	Re: I'm an amoeba I'm not informed in that area of the environment so I can't comment especially cause there are no actual sources for this presented. Same with the Big Bang theory and all that...it's all theories, there is no substantial evidence...where do you get that? Scientists admit there is no substantial evidence man, they admit it and they admit that it's the most popular of theories because there's some things that would make sense, but everyone knows it's not substantial, it's a theory that became a theory because it was the most plausible out of the other ones. The big bang one is probably the least of all believable ones...that's really harshly bogus. You can't even do stuff like that mathematically because even math and physics deals with actual factors not unknown. I don't understand how people can believe that this earth just became...lol and that it all exploded. What exploded? If there was nothing, there's nothing to explode...it's people trying to fathom the possibility of things just coming to be...existing all of a sudden out of no where. I'm sorry but it's way harder for me to imagine that than any other of the ideas out there. I've seen too many interesting NON-CHRISTIAN documentaries on Discovery channels of all kinds explaining how evolutionism doesn't make sense...by scientists everywhere including arguments of those believing it. It's a no win situation in the end. Totally innocent and uninvolved...and I'll give you candy too!
Diplomat A Membru Posts: 295 (11/9/04 12:40 pm)	Re: I'm an amoeba *Quote:* Same with the Big Bang theory and all that...it's all theories, there is no substantial evidence...where do you get that? Of course there is evidence, empirical evidence. If there wasn't, it wouldn't be a valid theory. I think you're confusing theory with hypothesis. I already tried to explain what a scientific theory is. I really don't believe any experienced scientist in the field would say there is no substantial evidence for any established theory. What they would most likely say is that no theory is true with "absolute certainty," not that there is a lack of evidence for it. It takes evidence to disprove a theory, not talk. The fact that you don't see how "this earth just became" and that you ask "What exploded?" shows me that you don't really understand this, perhaps because you don't want to understand it. The fact is that the Earth didn't "just become". Scientists can establish the causality with as much precision as the evidence allows. They don't attempt to answer everything. By consequence, there are some gaps that are left by science. Just because you or I don't understand a particular piece of science, such as the concept of singularity (the entity that "exploded" to form the universe), doesn't mean that the people working in the field don't. I, for example, don't understand how a burnt-out star can form an object of infinite density (a black hole). That doesn't mean I don't accept that idea. There is so much stuff in physics that's so abstract, that it sounds like nonsense at times. They don't teach Einstein's Theory of Relativity or Quantum Theory in introductory physics for a reason. Can you imagine how Einstein determined the speed of light? Because I can't, but it doesn't mean I should think he was wrong about it. Quantum Theory is incredibly complex and abstract. Scientists haven't even broken the surface of it yet. But does that mean it's "harshly bogus?" I just don't see the logic in saying if I don't understand something in science, I must conclude that it's wrong. *Quote:* I've seen too many interesting NON-CHRISTIAN documentaries on Discovery channels of all kinds explaining how evolutionism doesn't make sense...by scientists everywhere including arguments of those believing it. Perhaps you misunderstood something. My guess is that they had some people who were not experienced in the field, or showing different points of view on the nuances of evolution that have not been determined to be "concrete" yet. Scientists debate a lot about new discoveries. That's part of what separates real evidence from nonevidence. What programs are you talking about, BTW?
andreeahef Cenzor Posts: 4571 (11/9/04 10:35 pm)	Re: I'm an amoeba Diplomat I know what "theory" means and you just said yourself the big bang theory's empty at the core. I never denounced qunatum physics, black holes or any of the other things you just mentioned. They're not related to the topic and those things can pe prooven and ARE existent, but I was talking about the big bang theory and how things came to be and I've made my point because you just agreed with me . The other stuff's all cool stuff and it has always fascinated me and always will regardless of when or how my life changed for the better and in understanding. The documentaries are on all the time...I've watched them across the years and you can't miss them if you watch a lot of Discovery . It's a lot easier if you get all the Discovery channels cause they always have interesting things not just on astronomy and that sort of thing but also on civilisations and history related stuff. Let me tell you again though, that these weren't incoherent people, they wouldn't have that on there. They were all really notable scientists in the world today. The opposition was as well, because what would be the point of getting a bunch of idiots on there...? Anyways, if it was one show I'd be suspicious as well, but in this case it's a lot of shows. Even though a lot of the scientists prefer to stick to the theory, a lot of the other scientists' new research and continual research shows that it's not and they themselves don't know how to take it. That doesn't mean people shouldn't know about it. The theory however, still stands for schools and biology because there is no other better theory. My point with the theory was just that. Totally innocent and uninvolved...and I'll give you candy too!
Diplomat A Membru Posts: 296 (11/10/04 7:21 am)	Re: I'm an amoeba I agreed with you? I was trying to point out how silly it is to dismiss big-bang theory, if that's what you were doing, while accepting something like Quantum Theory. Out of curiosity, I briefly looked up big-bang theory and looked for anything scientists could be debating about. It seems that there's a new idea that sounds something along the lines of two planes in the fifth dimension merging together to form our universe. That may replace the idea of the singularity at some point. The theory would be revised, but overall it would remain intact. I don't think one can say it's empty at the core. Also, the fact is that Quantum Theory (or any other theory) has not been proved. So I don't know how you can "denounce" BB theory or evolution, and accept everything else, like Gravitational Theory. I watch the Discovery Channel too, like all the time. I only have the one Discovery Channel. The shows like Dinosaur Planet, the one about prehistoric hominids, and the one about prehistoric species were awesome. The people that produced those programs were pretty consistent in their respect for science. But I did see something on PBS, where they were presenting different points of view on whether the Neanderthals really did become extinct or if some of their populations merged with those of modern humans. That kind of detail is something you can expect to be debated about. Another example is that scientists don't agree on the degree with which dinosaurs evolved into birds. It doesn't mean evolution is any less credible because of that. On the environment, here's a site that has some articles on climate change: www.newscientist.com/hottopics/climate/. That's only one. A Google search for "climate change" comes up with millions of results. I think it's sad that few people are informed on this. The media is partly to blame. Some people say that this stuff is urgent enough that it should be on the front page of newspapers every single day. It's not a joke anymore.
andreeahef Cenzor Posts: 4574 (11/10/04 8:19 am)	Re: I'm an amoeba I never denounced any of the other stuff about evolution...God doesn't specify directly stuff about time and evolving or anything like that, He gives us what we need to know about the fact that Jesus Christ came to earth in human form to die for us taking upon Himself all sin so that we might have a chance at being with Him in the "heaven" he created for us. I just don't see how describing any specifics would have anything to do with the ultimate purpose at hand. God meant for us to acknowledge where humanity went wrong and what was done to redeem us. The thing is, dimensions and planes is a whole other thing because you see..that's how the whole thing works, there's no way of denouncing that. Hence other theories make sense...but Big Bang...I'm sorry. What's wrong with dinosaurs existing? Totally innocent and uninvolved...and I'll give you candy too!
Diplomat A Membru Posts: 297 (11/10/04 9:01 am)	Re: I'm an amoeba Well, that's faith. I wouldn't know much about the specifics of that, so I can't argue with it. Science has nothing against faith. I believe science should not be corrupted with pseudoscience. What do you mean what's wrong with dinosaurs existing?
andreeahef Cenzor Posts: 4575 (11/10/04 10:21 pm)	Re: I'm an amoeba nothin' wrong with it is all....most people try to deny their existence. Totally innocent and uninvolved...and I'll give you candy too!
goddess of nin Membru Posts: 112 (11/11/04 1:59 am)	Re: I'm an amoeba Who is denying their existence? I think most people alive in this day and age don't deny their existence.... There are people who don't believe that ALL of the types of dinosaurs that have been "discovered" existed, but that is because some of the findings have proven to be hoaxes. ----- ~ bow down before the one you serve. you're going to get what you deserve ~
andreeahef Cenzor Posts: 4577 (11/11/04 4:05 am)	Re: I'm an amoeba No, I was reffering to most Christians, but since this topic is about politics...any news on the administration? Totally innocent and uninvolved...and I'll give you candy too!
goddess of nin Membru Posts: 113 (11/11/04 5:26 am)	The Administration Well... I guess the Bush administration just appointed the 1st hispanic Attorney General.. There are rumours that he may be made a Supreme Court Justice.... Nobody really knows what his position is, but my guess is to overturn Roe Vs. Wade.... and if that is the case, I'm even more disappointed and depressed about the state of our country. ----- ~ bow down before the one you serve. you're going to get what you deserve ~
andreeahef Cenzor Posts: 4579 (11/11/04 8:29 am)	Re: The Administration What is this Roe vs. Wade again? Totally innocent and uninvolved...and I'll give you candy too!
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