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free ash
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Posts: 20
(7/13/02 11:03 am)
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The greatest love affair of all.....
There's a saying, and I know I'm paraphrasing so if you know how it actually goes, do let me know, but it says that the greatest love affair of all, begins with the two people, all hot and heavy into eachother, just madly in love, and right in the middle of the salad days, one of them dies, before the feeling can fade, and the routine sets in.
After that, the memories stay crisp and fresh and they're all of the happiest point, with no downfall to be seen.
I was just wondering, as I have had a relationship that took this unfortunate, but perhaps as the saying would say perfect turn, what do you all have to say about it?
Do you think that's the only way a relationship can stay full of that heated passion and love and lust and infatuation and anything else that can go into a relationship, without being soured, or can relationships maintain that spark without it having to end tragicly?
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Hugemon
Posts: 283
(15/7/02 15:43)
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Re: The greatest love affair of all.....

I'd like to think that it's possible to "keep the fires burning", so to speak, but just IMHO, lust isn't what I'm looking for at all. I want true, unselfish, and unconditional love. I've been playing the possessive lusting game for too long, and it has never worked out in my favor. Lust, to me, is an inferior emotion, much like comic books were to me when I was a kid....barely a fragment of a truly wonderful relationship.
Now that I am a man, I have put away childish things. I'll leave the giddy, drooling, adolescent lustful behavior to cretins like Jerry Lawler.
Another thing that I think is important, is that both you and your partner KNOW who you really are, where you want to go, and what you truly wish to be, as far as that is ever possible. Honesty can prevent a lot of unnecessary hurt, and you need to be honest with yourself, as well as with your mate.
When I was young, I wanted a sexy large-breasted slut, an easy do-nothing lifestyle, and millions of dollars.
Now I want a beautiful loving girl, a vigorously busy lifestyle, and just enough money to provide for my family's needs. My sexual desires and laziness have given way, and now all I want to feel is love, and to know that my entire family is well cared-for, and happy, while I do interesting and creative work.
Sorry if I drifted off of the subject a little bit, but this is what came to me as I read your post.
Good luck.
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Edited by: Hugemon at: 7/15/02 7:59:06 am
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xguy2O99
Posts: 92
(15/7/02 20:21)
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Re: The greatest love affair of all.....
Jerry Lawler insults rule

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francine marie TM
Posts: 76
(16/7/02 1:35)
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Re: The greatest love affair of all.....
Fairytale, your talking about a fairytale Ash. You already know how I felt about those until a good friend taught me not to give up hope.
I now believe good things can come to those who wait for the right time and the right person. And if it does not work out, you can sit back and cherish all the memories.
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Hugemon
Posts: 285
(17/7/02 8:24)
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Re: The greatest love affair of all.....
I agree, xguy...Lawler insults do rule...thats why I try to insult him as often as I can.
Historically, Jerry lawler has been one of the funniest guys around, but just recently, his once-great sense of humor seems to have been replaced by a insatiable childlike fondness for a womans mammary glands. Granted, I like womens breast'eses myself, but its not like I'm 10 years old, looking at my first Playboy anymore...
When I was a young man of 18, I had plenty of time for LUST. After all...I was going to live forever, or so I thought...
But now, I have NO time at all for lustful behavior, because I have several more important things to consider. I have a family to take care of.
I dislike even the THOUGHT of LUST, since it seems to promote the OBJECTIFICATION of people, treating them as little more than a collection of body parts to be used at your convenience to provide you with pleasure.
There's NO "what does my partner really WANT, care about, or NEED?"
...it's more along the lines of "What pleasurable sensation can I GET from this person?"
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free ash
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Posts: 21
(25/7/02 18:27)
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talk about love
Well, when I talked about passion and lust, and the such, perhaps I sounded as though I was talking in the purly physical sence, but believe me, I was not.
I want to fall in love with someone who could be a friend, lover, mother to my kids, she's got to want to have kids someday, someone who would support my insane fantasies, while keeping me grounded, and someone who would let her heart be open, who would laugh, even if there's not a joke being told, but just for the feeling of laughing, someone who can hold their own, and knows I can be on my own, but we're happier together, I want to be more than content in my life with whoever this person turns out to be, I on't want to wake up and just feel comfortable, I want to be excited about my life with her.
Maybe that's never going to happen, maybe it's just not made to occur that way, but I deeply hope it can be. I would love if everyday with this someone could feel like a miracle, but perhaps that's just the poet in me trying to make real life a little more easy to swallow.
Maybe that grand love isn't meant to happen, the term settle down is exactly how it's supposed to work.
Any ideas?
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Hugemon
Posts: 288
(27/7/02 12:43)
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Well brother...just IMHO, you seem to be on the right track. Nothing wrong with being a poet, either. My dad looks at me every 2 weeks at least, saying, "Damn...you ought to be a poet, son."
And I am a poet...I'm just not published. But I do love being a modern-day Socrates, trying to cast some light upon this mixed-up crazy world that we live in.
Errr....minus the poison-water Hemlock, thank you very much.
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I always try to keep a few old sayings in mind...here's one :
EVERYTHING WORKS IF YOU LET IT.
Here's another :
ALL YOU NEED IS LOVE
And finally...here's something the Beatles DIDN'T write :
IF SOMETHING IS MEANT TO BE, IT CANNOT BE STOPPED....IF SOMETHING IS N-O-T MEANT TO BE, STRIVING FOR IT IS totally and completely USELESS.
Let GO and let GOD.
I don't try to FORCE anything...whether it's good or bad, I just let it be.
(Go away, John, Paul, George, & Ringo...you're really beginning to cramp my act)
LOVE is truly all you need, but within the framework of any relationship, there are many decisions to make, and you have to be HONEST, both with yourself, and with any prospective partner that you choose. Sometimes, you only become aware of these choices thru VERY painful failures, but they are usually a very necessary part of your path to eventual success.
You have to establish an HONEST understanding with each other, about what each of you truthfully wants, and what either of you simply will NOT put up with from the other. This can help disarm trouble before it even arrives, and should never be ignored.
Good luck, brother...it isn't going to be EASY...but with any hope, it may turn out to be worth your while.
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francine marie TM
Posts: 77
(29/7/02 19:09)
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Re: talk about love
Is love even real? Or is it simply a image that is different to everyone? I have yet to find someone who has exactly the same ideas about love as I do. We all want it, but what is it really?
Her angel
He crashed into her life
Shaking her world
Earthshaking
Her reality, no more
Forever different
Forever changed
She opened her heart
He saw into her soul
Endless words she could almost touch
His touches she closed her eyes to better feel
His arms open with embracing hugs of understanding
She felt his love
He allowed her to care
To feel all he had inside
Showing her the beauty
The beauty of his world
Of being a part of that world
A world she never thought she would know
One of everlasting friendship and love
If only for that one moment in time
Taking her hand
Leading the way
She never would let go of the emotions
The emotions she burried deep, until him
Her mind now wonders
Images of him
Her angel of promise
Promise fades to fear
Fear he is forever gone
Her heart crumbles with the thought
She searches deep within herself
Picking up the each piece
She smiles
Smiling down at a piece she holds so tightly
His name is there
Closing her eyes
A single tear falls
His name
Her heart
Her angel comforting her fear and heartbreak
Letting her feel him
If only within her soul
Her fear and heartache fade to promise
His promise
This is an idea of what love is to me. Love is being there even when your not. Its being able to feel and share your life, good and bad. It's working things out. Its friendship and much if not more so than love. Its understanding , its promise, its hope. It's someone you can count on, through anything. It's everything.
A persons best features are 2 simple things.... their heart and soul.
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Hugemon
Posts: 289
(30/7/02 1:38)
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Re: talk about love

Dammit Marie.....nice poem -I guess it was your turn to make ME cry.
I believe that LOVE itself means many different things to different people.....we're all brought up differently, with different beliefs and values, and that's part of why we love each other, for the qualities that we admire in them, and want to bring into our lives.
Like I said...let go & let God. Everything works when you let it. If it's meant to be, it will happen.
Don't ever stop believing.
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free ash
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Posts: 22
(12/8/02 17:37)
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found love.
Well, I have found love, love that I already had, but had over looked.
As per usual, it's love with a slight twist, a distance, though not a great one between me and her.
I don't know what will come of it, and everytime we speak I'm surprised a little more by her than I was before.
I don't really know what to say.
Perhaps finding convienient love is a fool's dream, and any good thing takes work, that tends to be the case in everything else.
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Hugemon
Posts: 294
(18/8/02 18:56)
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Re: found love.

You said it, brother....CONVENIENT LOVE IS A FOOLS DREAM.
If all a man desires is convenience, a new skin mag from the 7-11 is pretty damned convenient, relatively cheap, requires no care or feeding, & never ever whines to its mother, complains about your stupid friends, or gets fat.
I have found that you get no more from a relationship than you put into it.
I'm happy that you seem to be on the right path.
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JeffHardysRavenGirl
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(22/8/03 13:03)
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Re: found love.
Back to the love/lust thing because it looks to me that the topic at hand has been more or less wrapped up and very nicely, may I add, I believe that a successful relationship needs both love and physical lust. I don't think you can be with someone without drifting away in every kiss you share or just wanting to hold them when you see them. I got myself in a mess at Christmas where two guys asked me out and whereas I believed I loved one of them very much, I wasn't physically attracted to them and I just knew somehow that it couldn't work out. If you don't want the physical intimacy with someone I don't think you can be with them long term. Maybe that's a very naive or bias opinion but from my experience (which granted isn't much) I've learnt that you need both love and lust for a relationship to be successful.
Sorry it's a bit off topic but I thought I'd add it
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TARL FURY1962
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(22/8/03 15:36)
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Re: found love.
Quote: If you don't want the physical intimacy with someone I don't think you can be with them long term. Maybe that's a very naive or bias opinion but from my experience (which granted isn't much) I've learnt that you need both love and lust for a relationship to be successful.
I think there has been a major-misconception of the word "intimacy" in recent times. Because to me, intimacy is created between two people by TALKING...communicating to your loved one about your wants, needs, goals, and impossible dreams.
My problem with LUST as opposed to sexual-LOVE, is that lust itself is very insensitive to anothers needs.
I don't like the word SELFISH, because in all honesty...if you aren't happy & secure yourself, you cannot "be there" or commit yourself to others in an appreciable fashion.
However, I cannot help but view sexual-love, in all of it's sensitive rapacious glory, as completely superior to common anamalistic lust.
LOVE doesn't have to be as tame as some people would try to make it out to be....just ask Heather.
*nudge, nudge, wink, wink*
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