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The true origin of the Hobbit!
Thain
Master of Bree
Chief Shirriff
posted July 28, 2003 11:13 PM
Hobbits?
I was just wondering what do you think are the real Origin of the Hobbits is, who made them? Why did the Ents not know them? Could the hobbits be like the dwarfs and have been made by the Ainur ? or are they just a small bread of man.
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Hobbits are a little people that can be found chiefly around the areas of the Shire and Bree Land, they like to live in warm cozy holes in the ground. Hobbits are about half our height and look much like children except for the large hairy feet. Hobbits do not have beards but have hairy feet. They are a peaceful fun loving people who would rather eat than fight, which explains their larger then normal stomach size. Hobbits dress in bright colours chiefly greens and yellows. Hobbits never wear shoes due to their naturally tough leathery soles and thick warm hair. Hobbits have brown curly hair and long brown fingers they have a good-natured face, which is only marked by the deep lines from laughing.
Hobbits are made up of three races Harfoots, Stoors and Fallohides
Any ideas
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Posts: 889 | From: Australia | Registered: December 11, 2002
Cimmerian
The Sentinel!
Chief Magistrate
posted July 30, 2003 01:24 AM
I never heard of the term hobbits before I saw the LOTR movie. In other books and movies of fantasy that I read and viewed over the years I came across terms as leprechauns, brownies, pixies, pecks, midges, gnomes, even goblins and elves to describe races of little people. But never Hobbits, I think it is a Tolkien creation.
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Posts: 1265 | From: Grim Grey Mountains, The Frozen North | Registered: December 12, 2002
elenna
Keen Eyed Wanderer
Shirriff
posted August 21, 2003 08:45 AM
Cimm, I don't think Thain meant who made them, like Tolkien. I think he meant more along the lines of which of the Valar made them.
Honestly, Thain, I think they evolved from something else, since they weren't mentioned as being created by the Valar. Maybe they evolved as separate species, as in the Fallohides evolved from elves, Stoors from men, Harfoots from dwarves (I think that's right), and then interbred, creating one race of hobbits.
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Sister Bigfoot
The Artist
Shirriff
posted August 25, 2003 11:10 PM
I imagine that Hobbits were once men. Men who changed in appearance to reflect the way they lived:-
-They are a short people because they are a hole dwelling people, and who needs to be tall when you are living in a hole under the ground;
-They have long fingers because they are very clever, and cleaver people have cleaver hands;
-They have a cheerful disposition because they are always eating and laughing;
-Their hair is always brown because deep-down hobbits are a practical people and their brown hair reflects this fact;
-Their hair is wild because their too busy eating and laughing to bother with it;
-They don’t wear shoes because why wear them when their feet don't get cold due to all the lovely thick hair that grows on them;
- They like bright colour, to reflect their happy disposition;
-And they eat so much because they are celebrating how happy they are.
So when you think about it, it’s quite simple as to how and why Hobbits came into being. They are just us, only happier.
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Sam
new Born
posted August 25, 2003 11:20 PM
I'm all for eating and laughing more, especially the eating but I don't know about the living in holes part!
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elenna
Keen Eyed Wanderer
Shirriff
posted August 27, 2003 12:05 PM
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-Their hair is wild because their too busy eating and laughing to bother with it
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So I AM a hobbit!
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I am the blade that pierces the heart.
You are the torch that lights the pyre.
Together we conquer.
Together we rule.
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Neithan
new Born
posted August 31, 2003 09:32 PM
The hobbits are not all laughs and eating. Underneath they posses the same faults that we humans have.
Hobbits have an ingrained greed and gullibility, which I belive led to Saruman's over throwing them in the last book.
And what about Gollum. He was once a Hobbit. Look how quickly he killed his friend so he could posses the ring.
If Hobbits did come from human stock, then this would explain the nasty aspects that some Hobbits display.
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Dancing_Hobbit
Adolescent
posted September 07, 2003 09:41 AM
Hobbits do have some of the faults of humans, but they also have strengths humans lack. Chiefly thier amasing resilience and strength of will and spirit (Tolkien mentions several times that only a hobbit could have taken the ring to Morder because no other race has the right characteristics and strength).
I've never been able to come up with an origin of hobbits that meets my satisfaction. I can't see them as being just little humans because there are too many differeces, both in character and form. I don't think any of the Valar would have created them, because the only reason dwarves were created was that one of them (I forget who just now) couldn't wait for the creation of elves, but hobbits seem to have appeared after both elves and men were created. The most satisfying idea i have seen so far is elenna's thought that they could be a mixture of all three pre-existing races. The only question I have with that is why they were shorter that any of the peoples they sprang from?
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Posts: 69 | From: A fairyland of mists and shadows deep in the emerald woods. | Registered: June 13, 2003
elenna
Keen Eyed Wanderer
Shirriff
posted September 08, 2003 01:17 PM
Maybe, due to some problem with surrounding races, they found themselves pushed out of their dwellings above-ground, and forced to live in holes they dug. They would eventually, through thousands of years, have evolved smaller. Plus, if competition for food were intense, the smaller hobbits (who wouldn't have to eat as much or as often) would fare much better, thus passing on the "short" gene.
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You are the torch that lights the pyre.
Together we conquer.
Together we rule.
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Sister Bigfoot
The Artist
Shirriff
posted September 08, 2003 02:13 PM
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the smaller hobbits (who wouldn't have to eat as much or as often) would fare much better
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We are still talking about hobbits aren’t we?
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Posts: 669 | From: Adelaide Australia | Registered: December 12, 2002
Dancing_Hobbit
Adolescent
posted September 08, 2003 03:35 PM
But if they weren't really a seperate race yet, why would they have more competition and than the other races? You notice none of them seemed to have this sort of trouble.
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elenna
Keen Eyed Wanderer
Shirriff
posted September 15, 2003 04:25 PM
Have to and want to/can are two different things, Sister!
For example, I'm 5'4 and 110 lbs. I need far less calories to keep me alive (theoretically) than Shadow_staar's 6'3", 250 lb. ex boyfriend. Sure, I can probably out-eat him on certain days, but the principle remains.
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I am the blade that pierces the heart.
You are the torch that lights the pyre.
Together we conquer.
Together we rule.
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Mr Underhill
Town Local
posted September 17, 2003 06:37 PM
Could they be a mix of the Big people and the dwarfs?
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Posts: 155 | From: Vic | Registered: January 05, 2003
Neithan
new Born
posted September 17, 2003 08:32 PM
[ WARNING: Referencing from Silmarillion ]
Like Aule (A Valar who controlled all things to do with the earth and the making of things from the earth. He secretly made the Dwarves, but was forced to make them sleep until the first born arrived on Arda), maybe another Valar became impatient while waiting for the arrival of the children of Iluvatar and secretly made the Hobbits. Like the Dwarves, they may have had to sleep until the first-born came into being.
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Maybe the Hobbits were a part of the third theme of Ainulindale (The Great Music), but the Vala were not aware of the presence of Hobbits in this Song of the Ainur, as the theme of the Music was marred by the discord of Melkor. This discord was incorporated into the theme of the song, altering what Eru had planned for Arda. What if these Hobbits were a part of this discord?
Or else the Valar did not notice the creation of the Hobbits into the theme due to the effects of this discord. They were just too busy trying to fix what Melkor had damaged, to notice such a little people as the Hobbits.
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