Unbiased?

"There's plenty of evidence against evolution too. I love how you think it's so bullet proof when it contradicts some basic scientific principles"

You keep making claims that you don't show where you are coming from. If you tell me which ones aren't supported I will be happy to show you where you have been mistaken or lied too. Creationists are quite well known to have done both.

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NUHERE Sergeant Posts: 180 (8/19/02 6:32 pm) Reply	Unbiased? Here is a quote from creationists in their struggle to maintain the status quo. Surly his admission is anything but objective. "Should a conflict arise between the witness of the Holy Spirit to the fundamental truth of the Christian faith and beliefs based on argument and evidence, then it is the {former} which must take precedence over the latter, not vice versa." [William Lane Craig, Reasonable Faith: Christian Truth and Apologetics, 1994] "What harm would it do, if a man told a good strong lie for the sake of the good and for the Christian church...a lie out of necessity, a useful lie, a helpful lie, such lies would not be against God, he would accept them." --- Martin Luther Here is a link that details the works of Duane Gish(VP ICR) who has authored such works as "Evolution? The fossils Say NO! and Evolution:The Challenge of the Fossil Record" mypage.direct.ca/w/writer/gish.html Does this give you confidence in that what you are claiming is true? Ask yourself why the need to lie and make up stories if what you claim about creation is true?The answer is this: if you must discount the creation, the idea of original sin etc then all of Christianity falls flat on its face. www.abarnett.demon.co.uk/...ation.html
Dualhunter Sergeant Major Posts: 413 (8/20/02 9:27 am) Reply	Re: Unbiased? You quote one guy who makes a questionable comment to try and throw doubt on another? If that's what you want to do, how can you trust any evolutionist when they tried to pass a pig's tooth as the tooth of a human ancestor?
MRhan0 Posts: 1721 (8/20/02 10:13 am) Reply	Re: Unbiased? Or the evolutionists who placed DEAD moths (of a different species) on trees in Europe to photograph as proof of evolution of a moth due to high pollution at the time. You will not find truth from evolutionists. Also, not all who call themselves Christians are really Christians. Keep that in mind. Some people think just going to church, or just reading the Bible will make them Christians and so they call themselves Christians. This is not true. And it is usually these people who are willing to lie about things like you mention. Someone who is really a Christian won't be lying about something like that. That's not to say that all Christians never lie even though it is a commandment. We are all sinners, even the best Christian in the world. But someone that is really a Christian is not likely to lie about something so important. We understand that lies will be found out and will discredit Christianity, so we tell the truth about it and that gives credence to our message.
Unfallen Angel Private First Class Posts: 24 (8/20/02 12:00 pm) Reply	Re: Unbiased? Allow me to repost a quote: "In fact, evolution became in a sense a scientific religion; almost all scientists have accepted it and many are prepared to 'bend' their observations to fit in with it."�H. Lipson, "A Physicist Looks at Evolution," Physics Bulletin, 31 (1980), p. 138. Guess I dun really need to say anything else... I took the What Mythological Creature Are you? test by ! Edited by: Unfallen Angel at: 8/25/02 4:22:55 pm*
NUHERE Sergeant Posts: 187 (8/20/02 5:21 pm) Reply	un Mrhano "Or the evolutionists who placed DEAD moths (of a different species) on trees in Europe to photograph as proof of evolution of a moth due to high pollution at the time." You will always find one or two bad apples in a barrel.In response to the incident above please read: "Ernst Haeckel, 19th century Darwin devotee, touted evolution with evangelistic fervor.{ Shamelessly thumbing his nose at scientific method,} he modified and then flaunted comparative embryonic drawings of different animals, introducing the phony flim-flam as "evidence" ratifying Darwinism. Though exposed and disgraced in 1874, Haeckel's art survived as mega-evolutionary hype haunting pages of biology textbooks far into the twentieth century." What you will see is that even though he was a devotee of evolution he failed to follow good scientific procedure.What you also fail to say is that it was other scientists that debunked his find. In fact scientists are a competive lot. When scientists make a claim there are others waiting in he wing to prove it wrong. There is no such competition among creationists. You don't find whole organizations of scientists conciously looking to distort the truth. What you also fail to understand by reading my posts is that creationists have said before hand "WHAT THE TRUTH WILL BE". There isn't any organized conspiracy on the part of real scientists to prove evolution. As the quotes I pointed clearly demonstrate rule #1 is the answer has already been found and if something new is discovered or evidence shows creation is bogus , go back to rule #1. Last but not least I am confident that I can post many more incidents of intentional trickery on this subject by creationists than evolutionists.
NUHERE Sergeant Posts: 188 (8/20/02 5:28 pm) Reply	un "In fact, evolution became in a sense a scientific religion; almost all scientists have accepted it and many are prepared to 'bend' their observations to fit in with it."�*H. Lipson, "A Physicist Looks at Evolution," Physics Bulletin, 31 (1980), p. 138." Mr Lipson is quoting his opinion and there is nothing wrong with this. As we have discussed he is a devout believer in creationism. As to his claim where is the evidence from which he quotes. This is quite a claim "almost all" when it is apparant that the opposite is true. If most scientists did not accept evolution they would have gotten together and said so. They may disagree as to the logistics of evolution but they do not disagree as to whether it is a reality. Creationists do this all the time. If they do not understand something they automatically default to " God did it"
NUHERE Sergeant Posts: 189 (8/20/02 5:30 pm) Reply	un "You quote one guy who makes a questionable comment to try and throw doubt on another? If that's what you want to do, how can you trust any evolutionist when they tried to pass a pig's tooth as the tooth of a human ancestor?' The bigger question is how can you trust creationists that have already stated publicly they will lie to maintain the status quo.
MRhan0 Posts: 1732 (8/24/02 10:50 pm) Reply	Re: un You will always find one or two bad apples in a barrel. As I have already said, this is true for both sides. Now, if you will stop posting multiple threads for a bit, I will reply to them starting Monday or Tuesday when I get full-time access to the Internet. However, if you continue to create new threads on miscellaneous stuff, I may be forced to temp-ban you. I don't want to do that as I find debates interesting and useful. But I won't have you messing up our forum. This forum was meant for the "best" discussions (hence the name of it)... discussions which bring about deep thought, not minor things with little consequence. So please refrain from multiple threads for miscellaneous comments and use a single thread.
NUHERE Staff Sergeant Posts: 213 (8/25/02 6:39 am) Reply	un "You will always find one or two bad apples in a barrel."Nu "As I have already said, this is true for both sides."Mrhano The difference here is that even thought both sides have bad apples the scientific organizations are not dedicated to stating a conclusion in spite of the evidence. The creationist organizations are and are on record as stating as much. This is no different than going into, lets say a sporting competion, and realizing that the referees will not let you win because they have all been bought off and the game is already decided. "However, if you continue to create new threads on miscellaneous stuff,.." I don't think my posts are miscellaneous but I think we have beat the evolution post to death. Theists cannot give ground because to do so would cast doubt on the whole bible.
RedClaw Posts: 1317 (8/30/02 10:19 pm) Reply	Re: un There's plenty of evidence against evolution too. I love how you think it's so bullet proof when it contradicts some basic scientific principles. RedClaw/JJ What Would Jesus Do? Member of -=DoS-United=- "StarCraft is fun" - me Edited by: RedClaw at: 8/30/02 10:19:24 pm
RedClaw Posts: 1334 (8/31/02 4:01 pm) Reply	Re: un No response here, Nuhere? RedClaw/JJ What Would Jesus Do? Member of -=DoS-United=- "StarCraft is fun" - me
NUHERE Staff Sergeant Posts: 238 (8/31/02 5:21 pm) Reply	un "There's plenty of evidence against evolution too. I love how you think it's so bullet proof when it contradicts some basic scientific principles" You keep making claims that you don't show where you are coming from. If you tell me which ones aren't supported I will be happy to show you where you have been mistaken or lied too. Creationists are quite well known to have done both.
RedClaw Posts: 1337 (8/31/02 10:00 pm) Reply	Re: un Are you familiar with the Law of Conservation of Energy, otherwise known as the first law of Thermodynamics, and Entropy, the second law of Thermodynamics? You'll have quite a challenge supporting a purely evolutionary/chance model after you learn what these are. RedClaw/JJ What Would Jesus Do? Member of -=DoS-United=- "StarCraft is fun" - me
NUHERE Gunnery Sergeant Posts: 255 (9/1/02 7:59 am) Reply	un I think I have referred you to enough websites to answer your questions. As I said you have been misled by non scientists. Since it is a scientific subject let scientists correct the error in your thinking. You can't have non scientific theists trying to debunk scientific issues without showing evidence as to where it is wrong. Creationists continue to cast doubt on science without showing the evidence. In order for their 'theory" to be correct you have to assume a supernatural presence. Until this is done they don't have a leg to stand on.
RedClaw Posts: 1355 (9/1/02 9:30 am) Reply	Re: un There are a lot of things that are based on "theory". Gravity is one, but you wont say it aint there because it hasn't been "proven". As for my scientiffic experience. I'm studying to become an engineer. Math/science is my life. RedClaw/JJ What Would Jesus Do? Member of -=DoS-United=- "StarCraft is fun" - me
NUHERE Gunnery Sergeant Posts: 259 (9/1/02 9:59 am) Reply	un -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- " There are a lot of things that are based on "theory". Gravity is one, but you wont say it aint there because it hasn't been "proven"." Your kidding right? Gravity works all the time.
RedClaw Posts: 1357 (9/1/02 1:17 pm) Reply	Re: un Yeah, gravity does work all the time, but it's still a theory, and if you don't believe me I challenge you to find anything on the "law" of Gravity....It's still a thoery, one which I obviously accept as truth. I think it's been proven. At least to me it's been proven. I was merely giving you an example about something that we have to agree makes sense based upon our own experiences and what we have seen for ourselves. RedClaw/JJ What Would Jesus Do? Member of -=DoS-United=- "StarCraft is fun" - me Edited by: RedClaw at: 9/1/02 1:38:52 pm
NUHERE Master Sergeant Posts: 391 (9/20/02 9:28 pm) Reply	un Red "Yeah, gravity does work all the time, but it's still a theory, and if you don't believe me I challenge you to find anything on the "law" of Gravity....It's still a thoery, one which I obviously accept as truth. I think it's been proven. At least to me it's been proven. I was merely giving you an example about something that we have to agree makes sense based upon our own experiences and what we have seen for ourselves." What is there about Christianity or religion that is as consistant as gravity?
RedClaw Posts: 1515 (9/20/02 10:13 pm) Reply	Re: un "What is there about Christianity or religion that is as consistant as gravity?" Both involve the planet Earth..... RedClaw/JJ What Would Jesus Do? Member of -=DoS-United=- "StarCraft is fun" - me
NUHERE Master Sergeant Posts: 395 (9/21/02 6:28 am) Reply	un red "What is there about Christianity or religion that is as consistant as gravity?"nu "Both involve the planet Earth....." Wrong again, the earth is real. Christianity is based on intangibles and stories without proof.
RedClaw Posts: 1519 (9/21/02 8:59 am) Reply	Re: un That's based on your beliefs man, I'm tired of reminding you of that. RedClaw/JJ What Would Jesus Do? Member of -=DoS-United=- "StarCraft is fun" - me

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