Re: Ford Sierra
The rules specifically allow Group A, so ther would be no problem with at least the following
3 door as used in Cosworth
3 door used in the (Think) XR4i, which was a 3 litre V6 24v motor, the shell was a different proflie to the Cosworth, 3 window not 2 window, also available in 4WD
4 door as used in the Sapphire, 2WD and 4WD
Technically you can't use a rear spoiler from the RS500, because it is an evolution model, so the RS500 is out. (Though you could use the RS500 motor, because it went into the Sapphire)
rdmdog Registered User
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(4/10/06 6:40 pm) Reply
Re: Ford Sierra
RS500 is eligeable as a group A car hence it and its fitments are in. From my memory there were few Xr4tis that run here and in Kiwi land, Sierras aplenty though, and a couple of different models too.
Here we go,
Homologation # Man. Car
5026 Ford Escort XR3 (1.6)
5027 Ford Capri 2.8i
5035 Ford Escort RS 2000
5036 Ford Escort RS 2000 (AUS)
5065 Ford Fiesta 1.6
5097 Ford Escort RS 1600i
5140 Ford Mustang GT 5.0
5211 Ford Escort 1300 GT (1968 )
5214 Ford Escort De Luxe (1.1) (1968 )
5227 Ford Escort GL 1.6
5236 Ford Fiesta 1.1
5237 Ford Fiesta 1.3 5238 Ford Sierra XR4i (non Turbo)
5258 Ford Fiesta XR2 5261 Ford XR4T1 (Turbo)
5266 Ford Mustang GT 5.0 85
5272 Ford Escort RS Turbo 5285 Ford Sierra XR 4x4 (2.8 Non Turbo) 5323 Ford Siera RS Cosworth (Turbo) (Maybe 4 Dr??)
5336 Ford Capri 3L 5370 Ford Sierra Cosworth (4 doors Non turbo)
Now is probably the right time to retract what I said about the RS500, it MAY be in IF those modifications are either VK (Variant Kits) or ET (Evolution of Type) but not if they are VO or ES, as stated in 1.1(i).
Sorry!!
Thats about it for Sierrras, there are more Fords, mainly Escorts and Fiestas.
Group A is still an FIA category, and was used by the Rally guys for a LOOOOOOOOOONg time before the circuit peoples started, mid 80's here, earlier in Europe.
All of these documents should be available by applying through CAMS, it used to be about $40 for the H Papers per document, depending if they have a copy on file or not.
Edited by: rdmdog at: 4/10/06 6:57 pm
rdmdog Registered User
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(4/10/06 7:10 pm) Reply
Re: Ford Sierra
August 1 1987 the Sierras were allowed a Garrett T3/T4 turbo, Bigger front Air Inlets, New front Airdam and Bigger rear Wing and Spoiler, but this was before the "RS 500" I think, the RS500 was homologated in 91 at some stage.
rdmdog Registered User
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(4/10/06 7:18 pm) Reply
Re: Ford Sierra
In South Africa they put a 302 Clevo into the local Five door Sierra, and called it an XR8!! In 1984!!
Re: Ford Sierra
Hey I did all right from memory
Sapphire is definite for group A Dog, remember those Q8 things that use to run before the Escort Cosworth was released, Blomquist, Auriol and Wilson
I think you will find, as you alluded to, that the Ford Sierra RS Cosworth is considered different to the RS500... but whether is an Evolution Type, or an Evolution Sporting I am struggling with, I think ES, which rules it out for IP. Only the rear wing would be out, as Late Model bumper facia’s (with the same profile from the top) are free. RS 500 was the first development, not the 91, that was the 4 x 4 (Sapphire).
XR4Ti, was US market 2.3 8v Turbo, same "three window" body as the 2.8 (I said 3 L, but that is pretty close , I am sure you could bore it out!) Seem to think there was no intercooler and it was a bit of a hand grenade
Group A wasn't around that long before this time, tick tick tick maybe 1983, though it was a refinement of Group 1 before it. Racing in Australia may have been slow to pick it up - but the BTCC (and Europe) went straight there form Group 1. We started in 86, I think
Now to upset the RX7 Guys, this effectively ruled them out of the BTCC, as they were being campaigned by Win Percy at the time (he even won the Championship) Once again foiled because a Sports Car was being raced in a series designed for Touring Cars
Edit
Now a trivia Question
Who had the very First Ford Sierra Cosworth in Australia?
Correct answer earns some respect
Edited by: notso swift at: 4/10/06 8:46 pm
rdmdog Registered User
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(4/11/06 10:11 pm) Reply
Re: Ford Sierra
David Oxton driving a Mark Petch (?) Sierra at Surfers in May '86?
(Francevic and Leo Leonard for Bathurst in '86) and a special note for the late Denny Hulme driving an XR4Ti as late as '87.
For some reason, Winton in the rain on the same weekend as the Berlin wall fell rings a bell, was it Murray Carter??
ckmcnally Registered User
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(4/12/06 12:30 am) Reply
Re: Ford Sierra
Well,
It seems a fair few of you are quite cluey on the eligibility of Sierra! I was at the bi-monthly club meeting of the NSWRRC (NSW Road Racing Club) and Doreen Butchers showed me from the 2006 CAMS Manual that for a car to be eligible for Group 3J, it has to be variant of a car that was either made or sold in Australia.
Now of course, the car wasn't sold at all in Australia. But of course, the Sierra in both XR4Ti and Sierra Cosworth form were eligible and homologated for Group A Touring Car racing. I've just looked up my copy of the manual and it does state that a car is eligible if its been homolgated by the FIA.
So, i'm still hopeful that I can race a Sierra in Improved Proddies.... If someone techical who knows the rules can help me or even someone, say Scott Bucton or someone from IPRANSW can help, it'd be great!
As for the first Sierra Cosworth to be brought to Australia as a race car was in 1986 by Don Smith. He was setting up his twoc ar OXO team which he shared with Andrew Miedecke. He imported a kit from Andy Rouse Engineering (now Rousesport) and built it up from that kit and tested it at Oran Park late in 1986. The first few Sierras that came in 1986/87 were kits from the likes of Rouse. I believe that the Dick Johnson Sierras were also kits from Rouse before Johnson built his own examples......
Re: Ford Sierra
Nice try with the guesses guys, but the first car was not a race (Group A Car) but was brought in as a production Car, to race the APCC, although it never turned a wheel in anger - one K Douglas, formally of Melbourne, lately of Surfers Paradise
There is no question that cars with Group A recognition are allowed to run in IP. So the Sierra's mentioned are all OK, likewise with the motors, if they are from any recognised IL4 or V6 Ford you are OK. If you have any doubts you could get confirmation in writing from either the National Administrator (Paul Foster) or the CAMS Manager - Technical Services Peter Lawence. Personally, I would go to Paul first, as it will probably come back quicker.
And my knowledge is not just about the Sierra, it is just that I spent way too much time when I was at school on stuff like this and I tend to remember crap, as opposed to doing something useful like actually studying!
rdmdog Registered User
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(4/12/06 6:50 pm) Reply
Re: Ford Sierra
Jeez Smithy must have got them in early, When did he finish with TTA?
I assumed the question was about racecars. Dick Johnson drove a road Sierra to Bathurst prior to racing them there I think, but this may have been 1986.
rdmdog Registered User
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(4/13/06 7:25 pm) Reply
Re: Ford Sierra
Ahhh, Yes, all too common a name that Smith one, Maybe we should all change our names to Smith to reduce Confusion? What do you think Al, Paul etc...
ckmcnally Registered User
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(4/13/06 9:34 pm) Reply
Ford Sierra
You see guys,
If we all had the Smith surname, it'd be all too boring! How about Mazzacane!!!! Remember that has been!!!!
John Smith did eventually race a Sierra, firstly with Dick for 2nd in 1988 at BAthurst then in 1992 with Colin Bond.
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