Any tips for the log book inspection? I am having my new car inspected for its log book later this week and would appreciate some tips.
I have spoken with one scrutineer who has said that the oil catch tanks must now be 2 Litres for cars under 2 Litres engine capacity, and 3 Litres for cars over.
Also, whilst they can't enforce it, scrutineers are seeing more and more of these fire extinguishers with the plastic cradles. They would like it to be metal (which I have now done).
I would particularly like to hear from people who have had an inspection recently. This is my last hurdle before Round 1.
cheers
thewebguy
Edited by: infotechplus at: 3/14/06 8:29 am
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(3/14/06 8:08 am) Reply
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I will need one later this year myself I hope . I know Dats had his done last year maybe he can give you some help on this.
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One suggestion I can offer is make sure that everything is clean and tidy, it gives a much better impression and makes it look like you're serious about doing things properly.
David Paterson,
Qld Improved Production Series Commentator
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Dont argue with them. It's never a good idea to argue with a scruit. (As some clown found out at an eval once when he tried to sneak a worn pair of driving gloves past them. He got sent home...)
If they find something, ask them if it's something that needs to be fixed now, ie before log book is handed out, or if it's something that can be done before first race. Give them a good working area, ie, make sure the car's in a position with good light, and enough room for the guy to walk around it.
Above all, present the car as you're going to race it. dont leave holes open and wires hanging out, for example. If you've got the stickers and so on, have them on as well.
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I'll leave it up on its stands then as underneath is all neat and bits spruced up (gloss black painted oil pan, shifty linkages painted aluminium, all new suspension with bright blue Noltec bushings, etc etc). They should be impressed
Thanks guys. I feel a little more optimistic. Spoke wit hthe guy who is doing the inspection this week and he seems a nice enough guy.
thewebguy
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(3/16/06 1:52 pm) Reply
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How did you go? has it been inspected yet?
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My car was inspected today and I am happy to say (not to mention, relieved) that it has passed with flying colours.
Wakefield Park will be its first run.
The main points from the scrutineer ...
Indicator and brake lights, headlight lenses checked
Tow points front and rear, clearly marked
In date seat and seat belts
Anchor points on seat belts
Neat and tidy dash and wiring
Fire Extinguisher inside metal cradle
Battery mount and clamp securely fastened
Kill switch operational from 3000 RPM
Engine bay clean and tidy free from loose wiring
Oil catch tank (2L for cars Under 2L, 3L for cars over)
Free of oil leaks, all hoses secured
Roll Cage paperwork checked
Steering lock removed on column
Window net operational with one hand and firmly attached
General vehicle appearance neat and tidy
2nd return spring on throttle cable
That's about it, all pretty basic stuff.
thewebguy
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(3/21/06 4:42 pm) Reply
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Was that the whole "targetted scrutineering" deal? Or was that your standard logbook inspection?
I have to do my logbook soon, but there are some murmurs that i will have to do my targetted scrute at the same time.
I wonder what the scrute will say regarding the second return spring on quads though. Effectively they have 4 returns....
I have six throttles with a spring on each and he still wanted a seventh, which luckily a GTR has standard on the cable connection point before the linkages. So you may need a 5th spring.
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(3/21/06 11:47 pm) Reply
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Hm, that could be an issue, as there isnt any connection points for springs of any kind. I tried to find a place originally but it fouls on everything down there.
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That was for my log book, or "pre-race" as they call it. I will still have to go through scrutineering at Wakefield, like everyone else.
thewebguy
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(3/22/06 8:22 am) Reply
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Ah, down here they are pushing for the whole "targetted scrutineering" deal. Havnt heard much yet about it, but im sure it will come up at the next club meeting.
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Are you referring to the idea of "self-scrutineering" where you sign paperwork saying that your car is OK, and then the scrutineers can call cars at random and check them?
That is being introduced up here but apparently promoters/tracks can choose to do it or not. For example, on the Wakefield Park paperwork it said specifically there would be no "self-scrutineering" and everyone was to go through the normal process.
But I hear Eastern Creek are keen on it as the Creek is notorious for delays in scrutineering (not necessarily the fault of the scutineers).
thewebguy
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(3/22/06 12:50 pm) Reply
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Sort of. Down here what they are proposing is sort of like the NSW blueslip system, where you annually get a thorough scrutineering (inc eligibility) and then the scrutineers trackside can randomly check cars.
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(3/23/06 7:19 am) Reply
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The next NSW Club Newsletter should have a summary of the meeting last month with PL and other CAMS and Club peoples, so I wont go into it too deeply here, but we did mention that having the pre log-book inspection count for the "Annual/4 meeting inspection" would make a lot of sence.
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CAMS was very keen on the NZ model of self scrutineering because it required the entrant to certify the soundness of the vehicle, thereby removing the liability from the chief scrutineer. CAMS are very keen to protect all officials from any liability.
Now, it appears to me that they are slow on taking up the idea. I guess this may be because there is some doubt as to whether or not the entrants are qualiifed to deem a vehicle safe and roadwaotthy.
David Paterson,
Qld Improved Production Series Commentator
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I agree David. Scrutineers maybe volunteers but they have been trained to "scrutinize" race cars, and given that there is sometimes 2 - 3 of them looking over your car they see things you might not.
As drivers we may or may not be responsible for the building of the car we drive. If not (eg. leased vehicle, guest drive, whatever) then how can we know with any degree of confidence that the car is roadworthy/legal/etc?
The change to "NAFF" a couple of years ago always worried me as it meant, as you point out, a sidestepping on the part of CAMS and its agents (scrutineers) of their duty of care, for want of a better phrase.
I would like to see scrutineers check cars thoroughly before the cars are allowed out on the track. If this takes more time then that issue would have to be resolved someway.
I don't know too many drivers who would knowingly go out on the circuit in a car that was unsafe, but to have to also certify that it is safe is another burden on the driver.
Cheers,
thewebguy
Edited by: infotechplus at: 3/23/06 11:03 am
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Your main issue is that you just dont get the cattle to meetings any more.
It would be great to have 20-30 scruits being able to get cars done and checked in half the time, and have 2-3 lines of cars going at once.
The reality is it doesn't happen. I'm not a scruit, I'm a flaggie, but the same principle. We have real issues getting enough bodies at tracks on occasions. The 2004 IP Nationals at PI were were so thin on the ground for people trackside, that the Stewards were THIS close to canning the meeting on safety grounds.
If it's not a V8 Supercab meeting, or one of the bigger events, like say any Historics event, officials just dont come any more. Or if the meeting's at Phillip Island or Winton ( one and two hour drives from Melbourne respectively) people dont want to pay the cash for the fuel to get there, and often a night in a motel into the bargain.
We've had State rounds at Phillip Island where I've been the only person on a point, and I've got to watch both ways, and communicate to race control as well. I can only go as far as the comms box cable lets me. If someone comes in BIG, then I'm r**ted. I cant get to the car to hit the killswitch or kill a fire without dropping the comms box, and I cant let Race Control know we need people in a hurry and help out a possible injury due to the comms box being attached to a land line.
. I know Dats had his done last year maybe he can give you some help on this.
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