Then you could perhaps get a little educated about the nuclear explosion which the US Goverment carried out high up in Earths atmosphere!
I knew you'd respond with something like this. See my above posting. It's clear that you are the one who needs to get a little educated about Starfish Prime.
There was another test called Argus. Where they detonated some 1.7 kiloton warheads at high altitude ( 100 to 466 miles) and measured the resultant artificial change in radiation levels.
Operation Argus was designed to "....investigate the effects of nuclear explosions outside of the atmosphere - how the charged particles and radioactive isotopes released would interact with the Earth's magnetic field which could potentially interfere with radar tracking, communications, and the electronics of satellites and ballistic missiles."
From your article, it looks like you made a hodgepodge of these two tests.
You do realise that the method in which Bennet used to "confirm" the existence of this alleged third belt was "remote viewing", don't you?
"but since when was light selective on which objects it lit up?"
If you read carefully, the sun angle actually changed between these two photos. That's the point. The effect is confined to within very small phase angles.
"the first few minutes of the first EVA on Apollo 11 is really poor quality, foggy footage, which suddenly improves into a clear picture.
I think it might be to do with changing receiving dishes, I'll check into this.
"Its apparent to me that Boss has brought up some good arguements...."
.....That have already been debunked a thousand times. *Yawn*.
I agree that the ISS work has meant that astronauts have had to work outside with machinery and gloves.
Not just ISS astronauts. Shuttle astronauts as well. They need quite a high degree of so-called "fine motor control".
But, are they working with camera lenses or changing films in dusty surroundings?
They've definitely worked with cameras during on-orbit EVAs. I can't see how dust will hamper their hand movements. Apollo astronauts had a brush I believe to wipe their camera free of dust.
"The conditions on the Moon are completely different to those experienced whilst floating in space.."
Hmmm, let's see. They're both in vacuum. They're both subjected to similar temperatures. One's in microgravity, the other's in reduced gravity.
with a debate on BS - er BA
Well, it sure as hell wasn't on Comic Conspiracies. Er, I mean CoSmic Conspiracies.
BTW... Has that guy on BA managed to find Area 51 yet? enough said!
And say, did you ever hear about those people who claim that the Apollo programme was fake (or at least the "record")? 'Nuff Said!
the boss
Unregistered User
(10/12/02 4:24 pm) Reply
well?
andrew you certainly seem to be a authority on everything in fact i think you have a answer for everything no matter what it is
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Now, now. There's no need to be a sore loser. You should be pleased at the fact that the moon hoax arguments have absolutely no merit, and that man did in fact walk on the moon as claimed.
the boss
Unregistered User
(10/15/02 11:34 am) Reply
landings
they may well have been but the footage is bogus
Atmosphere
Hey Andrew,
What about the lack of atmosphere on the Moons surface..or did you forget about that one?
I really think that you like argueing, or the sound of your keyboard being tapped, because if you look back at this thread you'll see that I was pretty bored with it around a month or so ago, but you have to keep having a go.
As I said before.. lets wait and see what this new mission to the Moon comes up with. Until then, its pointless keep argueing cos we both aren't going to agree. Were going around in circles and its just boring reading.
Change the subject if you must, but please, lets agree to disagree
Cheers
Dave at CC.
Andrew
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(10/19/02 12:00 pm) Reply
-- "What about the lack of atmosphere on the Moons surface..or did you forget about that one?"
--- "Until then, its pointless keep argueing cos we both aren't going to agree. Were going around in circles and its just boring reading."
I don't expect you to start agreeing with me, especially when you continue to disagree with yourself about the moon landings. I'm here for the benefit of anyone reading this debate (yes, I am assuming that people actually read this forum, they probably don't, but you never know).
They sure do!
With our site hitting 200K this week, i'm sure its just not the handful of us reading this!
The atmosphere quip was in response to your answer about ISS and Shuttle astronauts working in the same conditions as the Moon, they're not - the Moon doesn't have an atmosphere!
Shuttle astronauts and ISS astronauts are both working in vacuum. If they were in an atmosphere they wouldn't maintain their orbit.
Yes, satellites do decay due to "atmospheric drag", but it's insignificant unless over large periods of time. It is a cummulative effect and takes many years to cause a satellite to decay. There is the odd air molecule up there, but it is effectively vacuum.
Is that hit count since Comic Conspiracies' inception? That doesn't automatically translate into a lot of people reading this forum.
RDChemist
Unregistered User
(10/21/02 3:28 pm) Reply
Do you know what a vaccuum is?
Littlegreys,
Do you know what a vaccuum is? If you did, you wouldn't have made the mistake about experiments in orbit not correlating with the moon because of an atmosphere.
The lunar landing proponents have always agreed that there is vaccuum in space and no atmosphere on the moon. It's the hoax believers that often disagree about this. This is why you couldn't fake the moon footage in a studio. Because of Atmosphere. The hoax argument conveniently forgets this nagging fact of life.
Your hit count is hardly convincing to your argument. I'm probably one of those hits. It doesn't mean I agreed with what you have posted. Other hits can be from people who want to evaluate both sides of the issue before reaching a conclusion. Others hits can be from people that would probably try buying the Brooklyn Bridge if you tried to sell it to them. The point is there are many possible explanations to your hit count so it proves nothing.
Hits
The 200k of hits is recorded from September, 2001. Our original site at madasafish records almost 50k of hits... with the hit counter going down from time to time I guess the real figure is more close to well over a quarter of a million hits altogether. I didn't claim that all the hits were from agreeing parties of the information on this site. I was just commenting on Andrews attempt at sarcasm when he said that we were perhaps the only ones who read this forum which is evidently not the case. The hit counter proves otherwise!
Hit Count
You've had 200,000 hits over 14 months. We've been debating (well, not everybody has) on this forum for around a month. Assuming that Comic Conspiracies has the same number of hits each month, your website has generated ~14,000 hits in that time. Of those, how many have visited the forum? Of those how many have visited to the moon hoax forum?
What's the hit count on these two moon hoax threads since 17/09?
the boss
Unregistered User
(10/22/02 12:51 pm) Reply
zombies
who gives a toss the main thing is that people are hearing both sides of the story not just from a nasa point of view many people just walk around like zombies not even thinking to question about anything until the questions are raised people are asleep to the facts and believe everything that there goverment is telling them is gospel well from past evidence most things are covered up like the usa testing toxic weps on civilian populations this is kept secret until someone decides to take a closer look so its a good thing were all not zombies and take the time out to see what is fact and what is fiction
You're right.
Boss, you're right. I'm tired of people uncritically swallowing lie after lie from the Hoax Believer camp as the gospel truth. It's about time people who've been listening to them learnt the real truth.
RDChemist
Unregistered User
(10/22/02 7:18 pm) Reply
We do question
Personally, I've questioned both the Hoax Believer's claims and NASA's claims in regards to the moon landings to the best of my ability. I've always tried to track down original sources of information. I consult with experts in areas of expertise that I am not familair with myself. I read up on the general scientific principles considering the technology used in Apollo. I've done demonstrations. The Hoax Believer's evidence simply doesn't withstand scrutiny.
Many Hoax Believers plead with us to look at their evidence and we'll be convinced. I try to tell you that we have and we see serious deficiencies, lack of credibility, logical falacies, missunderstandings of scientific principles, selective quotations and irrelevant comparisons. When we ask that these issues be addressed, the Hoax Believer responds with the same argument (not a productive debate). The believers in Apollo can pretty much address any issues the doubters have at any level or depth required.
Give me one reason why I should believe that the most documented event in the 20th century was faked.
the boss
Unregistered User
(10/23/02 9:48 am) Reply
gigarin
well gigarin wasnt the first man in space so theres one for a start
RDChemist
Unregistered User
(10/23/02 12:15 pm) Reply
I see.....
If Yuri Gagarin wasn't the first man in space then who was it?
At this point it would be useful to supply a name and date to evaluate your claim. An explanation as to why the rest of the world believes that Yuri Gagarin was the first man in space could also be useful.
Lastly, I don't see the point on how Yuri Gagarin not being the first man in space would somehow mean that the Apollo moon landings didn't happen as claimed.
Re: I see......
Boss's assertion, well perhaps not completely accurate (it may be, it may not be) is actually not unsupportable.
There were allegedly a few cosmonauts to venture into space before Gagarin, some of them were said to have perished. It all seems rather unsubstantiated except for one case, that of Vladimir Ilyushin. Ilyushin apparently orbited the earth on the 7th of April 1961 (Gagarin's flight was on the 12th). Ilyushin reportedly crash landed in China, though survived his flight.(Another Link).
Aulis (Percy and Bennet) tout this as having some kind of relevence to allegations of Apollo fakery. I personally don't see the connection. I suppose it's part of their claimed USA/USSR collaboration during the space race.