MNU/ MO Valley

I must start out by saying that I was not in attendance for the post game fight against Mo. Valley. b ut to hear that DP was in fact involved was not a surprise. David carries a massive chip on his shoulder and who knows why. I really wonder what his father feels as he sits there next to Rocky and watches his son act the way he does. I will have to say that I believe David has matured. Because as a freshman/soph, he may have started the fight on the court!! So progress is being made. David off the court is a pretty good kid. Very friendly and respectful. But definitly carries some burden around with that makes him unhappy. Living in the true DP's (DAN) shadow, can not be easy. Dan is the second or third leading scorer in Pioneer history and is still playing over in Europe. But Dan played the same way, very emotional. His ability overshadowed those emotions though. Along with the supporting cast of Harris, Fleming, Mookie etc. I am not here to rip David Peterson. He gives the Pioneers a physical presence that most of Rocky's teams have lacked. He plays extremely hard and that borders being considered dirty. In reality this should never have happened, but because of the physical nature of that game, that is exactly what it came too. If you participated in athletics, especially college athletics, you understand how things can get heated. I don't condone the poor sportsmanship by not shaking hands, but if he would have, would the fight have occurred right there in the middle of the Bell Family Arena? Let's just move on and hope for a rematch that can settle the issue on the floor instead of in the back hallway.

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JAGBRAVE Member Posts: 1 (2/10/04 12:05 pm) Reply	Peterson I must start out by saying that I was not in attendance for the post game fight against Mo. Valley. b ut to hear that DP was in fact involved was not a surprise. David carries a massive chip on his shoulder and who knows why. I really wonder what his father feels as he sits there next to Rocky and watches his son act the way he does. I will have to say that I believe David has matured. Because as a freshman/soph, he may have started the fight on the court!! So progress is being made. David off the court is a pretty good kid. Very friendly and respectful. But definitly carries some burden around with that makes him unhappy. Living in the true DP's (DAN) shadow, can not be easy. Dan is the second or third leading scorer in Pioneer history and is still playing over in Europe. But Dan played the same way, very emotional. His ability overshadowed those emotions though. Along with the supporting cast of Harris, Fleming, Mookie etc. I am not here to rip David Peterson. He gives the Pioneers a physical presence that most of Rocky's teams have lacked. He plays extremely hard and that borders being considered dirty. In reality this should never have happened, but because of the physical nature of that game, that is exactly what it came too. If you participated in athletics, especially college athletics, you understand how things can get heated. I don't condone the poor sportsmanship by not shaking hands, but if he would have, would the fight have occurred right there in the middle of the Bell Family Arena? Let's just move on and hope for a rematch that can settle the issue on the floor instead of in the back hallway.
manunanu Member Posts: 22 (2/10/04 6:28 pm) Reply	Re: Peterson I understand now how Rocky must feel. Since DP starts fights in the back hallway and not on the court he is making progress. Let's just brush this under the rug and it will go away. Makes sense to me. We need DP to have any chance at all. "Just win Baby!"
BUTTHULLMNU92 Member Posts: 43 (2/11/04 11:01 am) Reply	Re: Peterson who said dave started the fight?
manunanu Member Posts: 23 (2/11/04 11:23 am) Reply	Re: Peterson Kramer- in one of his earlier posts states that the "after events were started by the dirtiest of all, Peterson." Also, one can make the assumption that Peterson was the instigator when cpadude writes "as far the post game festivities, I really don't want to post this stuff on line for all to see." Are you saying that dp's actions on the court as time ran out and after the game were not the cause of the fight? I was not there, if he did not start the fight please correct me.
BUTTHULLMNU92 Member Posts: 44 (2/11/04 11:35 am) Reply	Assumptions you know what they say about assumptions.....they are usually wrong. i'm not going to assume dave did or did not start anything. i wasn't at that game. i don't know who or what started/precipitated anything. i'd like cpadude to tell us what he saw, though, cuz he was there and i know he can see almost directly into the tunnel leading to the lockerrooms from his seats. i'm not gonna comment further on who is or isn't at fault until someone starts sharing some facts i'd appreciate it if you, mananua, would stop implying the worst since you were admittedly not in attendance either. fair enough?
manunanu Member Posts: 24 (2/11/04 11:42 am) Reply	Re: Assumptions I would love to hear from cpadude. Maybe you can convince him to share with us.
BUTTHULLMNU92 Member Posts: 45 (2/11/04 11:45 am) Reply	the real story i'll see what i can do
cpadude Unregistered User (2/11/04 7:28 pm) Reply	Sorry guys Sorry guys, but as you can tell from my name I am a little busy this time of year. I haven't had an opportunity to post lately. I was at the Valley and MNU game. I wholeheartedly disagree with the characterization that MNU started the physical and "dirty" play on the court. That is far from the truth. I know quite a bit about basketball and used to play the game. Not in college but prior. I was considered one of those "physical" players. I can appreciate that. What I saw was not physical but downright dangerous. One example that I will site is an instance where Snyder was trying to complete a fast and was cross body blocked by the Valley player into the basketball. There was no attempt to go for the ball. It was a straight on tackle. Another example to site are the instances on the court where Peterson was being physical hit in the face and back of the head with fists and elbows. To be honest with you, when I was Peterson's age I would have probably lost it on the court. You CAN NOT allow the things to happen on the court that happened in that game. I also saw the post game activities. I did not want to post on line what happened because I don't think it is necessary to disparage people. I'm sure more than one person from BOTH teams did things that they regret after that game. Unfortunately, I did not see it start from the beginning. I came upon it very quickly. As to the statement that it was unfortunate that MNU fans became involved, that person has no idea what he is saying. Yes, I was on them. If we hadn't stepped in and became peacemakers in breaking up the fight I don't know where it would have gone. I speak toward both sides on that. Valley was just as out of control as MNU. From what I saw, Valley was the more physical in the confrontation. I know the only person swinging when people started breaking up the fight was a Valley player. I know because I was the one that was hit. As to Peterson and his demeanor, I can't say that I know David very well. I am acquainted with him though. Off the court, David is a quality young man. David has come a long way in controlling his emotions. If the Valley game had played out the way it did a few years ago, he might have responded inappropriately on the court. But to be honest with you, there are many 18 - 22 year olds that would. The HAAC is filled with those. That isn't because they are awful people. People sometimes lose their temper when they are pushed too far. That is a fact of life. What happened in the hallway outside the locker rooms was not appropriate. I do not know for sure who started it. The information that I received said it started out with Valley players taunting MNU players. This is where I believe the mistake was made. The MNU player or players should have walked away. They won the game. Instead, they walked up to Valley player and responded. The Valley player then responded with a push back and the fisticuffs started. While I did not see this start and came upon it after it had started, the person that passed this along to me is somebody that I don't believe would color the story to favor one school or the other. He present pretty upset with both schools. I know this is very long, but it is the only way that I knew I how to get all out that needed to be said. I hope I haven't missed anybody's questions or things they wanted clarification on.
manunanu Member Posts: 25 (2/12/04 8:11 am) Reply	Re: Sorry guys I appreciate the information however, I don't know if I know more now than I did before. Is this a dead issue within the athletic departments of Valley and MNU, or has it been turned over to Larry Lady? A fight is a fight no matter who started it, who finished it, who taunted, who was more physical. It has no place in athletics and certainly not in the HAAC!
BUTTHULLMNU92 Member Posts: 46 (2/12/04 9:55 am) Reply	Re: Sorry guys cpa....THANK YOU for sharing. I appreciate you helping to clear the air of speculation that mananua has established with his claims. I'm sorry you were the recipient of a blow while trying to calm the situation off the court after the game. manauanu.....I'm quite sure that all on this forum, cpadude and myself included, wholeheartedly AGREE with your statement that fighting of any kind and motivation is wrong...and goes against everything the HAAC represents. You'll get no argument there. But that is a separate issue from the one originally brought up in this thread and has been espoused by you throughout: "dp is a dirty player that started a fight" sums up your position fairly well. Are we discussing your assertation about dp, or, are we here to discuss the HAAC's character intiative. Sure, both go hand in hand, but, you come on here and start personally blasting an MNU player for his alleged actions in a game that you didn't attend. THEN, when a firsthand account is give by someone that was not only there but was instrumental in cooling heads, you shrug it off and take the politically correct (i can't stand PCness) and start talking about fighting in general. Stay true to your basic, unfounded argument. Accept defeat, and THEN discuss the HAAC's character initiative.
manunanu Member Posts: 26 (2/12/04 12:30 pm) Reply	Re: Sorry guys I don't ever recall stating that dp is a dirty player. I did state that he was immature. In fact I stated that he was immature when he got to MNU and after four years in the program he still has not grown up. I also stated that he would not last a day in the William Jewell Program. His defenders come back with the statement that dp has matured because he did not get in a fight on the court but instead the back hallway. I still think that dp is immature and asked a standard follow up question, has the incident been turned over to the commissioner? Maybe you should read the HAAC by-laws.
manunanu Member Posts: 27 (2/12/04 12:42 pm) Reply	Re: Sorry guys "dp is a dirty player that started the fight" sums up your position fairly well. Are you assuming that is my position????? You know what they say about assumptions!!!!
BUTTHULLMNU92 Member Posts: 47 (2/12/04 4:45 pm) Reply	manunanu saith: "Since DP starts fights in the back hallway and not on the court he is making progress. Let's just brush this under the rug and it will go away." Now, do you still think I'm "assuming" you are implicating dp as immature player that starts fights? You posted as much to this thread. I need not assume....you've made your accusations known to the entire forum in black and white.
manunanu Member Posts: 28 (2/13/04 7:32 am) Reply	Re: manunanu saith: Your earlier posts accuse me of callling dp a dirty player that starts fights. When I point out that I never called dp a dirty player you simply restate what I have said all along. DP is immature! A fan from Valley said that dp started the fight. cpadude states that it was started by Valley players taunting MNU players. There appears to be two sides to this fight. That is why I asked the question about it being turned over to the conference as required. Since the players involved continue to play, I don't think that has happened.
BUTTHULLMNU92 Member Posts: 48 (2/13/04 8:28 am) Reply	your words "Since DP starts fights in the back hallway and not on the court he is making progress. Let's just brush this under the rug and it will go away." starts fights does not = immature do you deny typing the above words in quotes?
manunanu Member Posts: 29 (2/13/04 9:06 am) Reply	Re: your words I do not deny that I typed those words. And you can assume that I think dp played a major role in starting the fight. Only an investigation will clear the air. MNU fans should welcome an investigation if they feel their players are innocent!
spongebob Unregistered User (2/13/04 11:44 am) Reply	I HEARD TOO O.k. CPADUDE lets play the I heard game! I heard that as the players were walking off the floor the mnu fans threw something at the mo valley players. when it hit the player peterson popped off at the mouth this is when the teams started jaw jacking then peterson pushed a mo valley player the ran around the corner when the mo valley player walked around the corner perterson threw a punch and thats how it all got started. Of cource the game was physical the REFS let the game get that physical, a jv game gets physical if the refs don't call fouls. AS FOR THE CROSS BODY BLOCK ON SNYDER it was #22 jared sanderson, probably one of mo valleys cleanest, hardest working players, and as i recall after he did it, he went right to snyder and tryed to help him up and snyder wanted nothing to do with it. SO ONCE AGAIN IF WE WANT TO PLAY THE I HEARD GAME WE CAN DO THAT!!!
Kramer Posts: 3 (2/13/04 12:10 pm) Reply	Missouri Valley Hey fellas! Can't we just all get along! It is tourney time and Missouri Valley will beat William Jewell in the finals and those two team will go to the tourney, and Rocky and his boys will be crying because they are staying home! GO VIKINGS!!!!
BUTTHULLMNU92 Member Posts: 49 (2/13/04 12:38 pm) Reply	Re: Missouri Valley Kramer Posts: 3 (2/13/04 12:10 pm) Reply Missouri Valley -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hey fellas! Can't we just all get along! It is tourney time and Missouri Valley will beat William Jewell in the finals and those two team will go to the tourney, and Rocky and his boys will be crying because they are staying home! GO VIKINGS!!!! put down the crack pipe, Kramer.
Kramer Posts: 4 (2/13/04 1:20 pm) Reply	Crack Pipe B-HULL I did not know the good Nazarene's even knew what a crack pipe was? I thought you all were about cookies, milk, and a Coach who is still trying to chase Steve Jenkins accomplishments! Hey cpadude you are OK! We have the same feelings when it comes to dirty and immature players, and coaches who do not curb that type of behavior! Edited by: Kramer at: 2/13/04 1:23 pm

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