Mini-Mafia 21 Day!!

I strongly recommend to all of you who are not mafia to wait for a role claim from Beoneknight and Needforspeed before making their decission.

Greencrayons, your logic is flawed. If we admit that there were 2 competent cops in this game (based on the 1/3 players are mafia argument), why do their results contradict? Why did Aurenlay seem to be sure Beoneknight is mafia and Diplomat declares him innocent???? If we are indeed in the lynch or die land, any mafia can afford to try a Lepton gambit, because they don't have to fear retaliation. The game will end if the gambit succeeds.

Look at Diplomat's results: he declares me guilty (although I haven't done anything even remotely suspicious in this game) yet he declares innocent the two players whose behavios was BY FAR the most suspicious: BEONEKNIGHT (voted & accused by a dead cop) and NEEDFORSPEED (whose behavior in this game has been completely irrational).

THIS IS NOT A TIME WHEN YOU CAN AFFORD TO VOTE BASED ON THE AUTO-FIRE THEORY. Why? Because there might be no way to punish the incorrect/evil cop tomorrow--the game might end right here, right now! That is why I urge you all to hold on your voting until we get out in the open all the info we can get... ESPECIALLY role claims from BEONEKNIGHT and NEEDFORSPEED.

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Confucius say... War doesn't determine who's right. War determines who's left.

Author	Comment
purledragon Neinregistrat (3/5/03 1:44 am)	121 *Quote:* EC. could you please investigate Radwulf tonight? Im really interested wether his innocent or not. I just dont feel right about him. Just were exactly does Escaped Convict say he's got an investigative role? Edited by: andreeahef at: 3/7/03 9:52:54 pm
andreeahef Cenzor Ministrul propagandei Posts: 1071 (3/5/03 3:17 am)	122.NOLYNCH! Undoubtedly still confused as to what's going on, the already shallow group is now a simple crowd of ten suspicios people....former friends. It would seem obvious at this point that they would start by digging up their past to find some causes or clues to the murders, but everyone seems to dwell on the horror and crudity of the murders....looks like another long night ahead for the group...some wondering, who will it be next? It's now night 3, please send in your targets ASAP , sorry bout the wait...had to go to work and then got side tracked (excuses excuses tztztztztztzt) HAVE A GOOD NIGHT! Let's be serious for a moment now, do I even LOOK guilty? Edited by: andreeahef at: 3/7/03 9:52:42 pm
andreeahef Cenzor Ministrul propagandei Posts: 1127 (3/7/03 10:09 pm)	123. DAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHAT A NIGHT! Although the crowd was slowly, but steadily getting smaller, they managed to sleep through an even longer night until noon the next day.... Meeting downstairs for a quick head count seemed a priority now. -Where's STARMAN where's STARMAN?!??!?!?!?!?I can't believe this!(Bobby) Groaning, upset, worried, frustrated and quacking with fear (some of them) they made their way to the coat rack. Beside the coat rack, the armoir holding the hunting rifles was open, bullets on the ground, one gun missing. They rushed outside to see rather fresh paris of tracks on the snow, leading to the woods. It was evidently a chase, perhaps Starman attempting to outrun his killer as another pair of similar tracks followed his into the darkness of the foliage. They ran ahead into the woods to see what the chase revealed. Starman's tracks ended shortly after a ridge underneath a large pine where he seemed to have stumbled and fell, rolling down the ridge into an icy puddle of mud. Still the tracks dragged on horridly for another kilometer where his lifeless body was found as a deers, face down in a creek with a shot to the back and one to the head. The crowd gathered to check him in order to see if it was really Starman, as clear as day, his Doctor's diploma clearly spelled out his name on it. -We didn't believe him!He really was a doctor, and he brought his friggin diploma to show us the good news.... -Can you imagine his terror?Running through the forest like a hunted animal this way?Probably knowing there was no escaping his avenger's wrath? Not breathing another word, they dragged Starman's body back to the garage where their bodies began to pile up as a spring compost pile. StarmanDeluxe Doctor is now dead!It's day, discuss and dishevel Let's be serious for a moment now, do I even LOOK guilty?
beoneknight Biban Posts: 90 (3/7/03 11:57 pm)	124 The doctor is dead. If the game started out with 1/3 mafia, there are 4 of them left. 5 ofus. We need complete cooperation from all of the townies in order to pullthis one out and get all thelynches in a row. We can do this. I want EVERYONE WHO HAS BEEN SUSPICIOUS to claim a role. IF YOU ARE TOWN AND EVER BEEN SUSPECTED, CLAIM A ROLE. That includes NFS. Right now i DEMAND A ROLE CLAIM FROM Goddes of NIN. She is #1onmy suspect list. I will write out the reasoning later. I want a role claim from Escaped. And i am not too worried about the fact that we have lost a doctor...not all is lost. There are more ppl fromwhom i suspect,and i will write out that list. I also want to know RADWULF role. So, lets hear them.
Diplomat A Biban Posts: 90 (3/8/03 1:53 am)	125 All right, time for me to blow the whistle. In the past 3 nights, I have investigated radwulf, NFS, and beoneknight. Of those 3, these people turned out innocent: - NFS - beoneknight If we correlate this information with the people who voted for radwulf yesterday, namely NFS and EC, it leaves 4 others who are likely mafia: - Goddess of Nin - Green Crayons - purple Dragon - unicul So NFS and EC don't have to claim roles. And one or two of the people on that list are probably innocent. So to resume my vote from yesterday, Vote: radwulf. [edit]post #[/edit] Edited by: Diplomat A at: 3/8/03 1:54:33 am
radwulf Admin Posts: 2109 (3/8/03 2:56 am)	126 Let's see, there are 9 people left: beoneknight Diplomat A Escaped Convict Goddess of Nin Green Crayons Needforspeed001 Purple Dragon radwulf unicul If we started this game with the usual 1/3 of the players are mafia, we are now in the LYNCH or LOSE land. If we don't lynch or if we lynch incorrectly, we've lost the game. What better opportunity for a scum to claim cop, get a townie lynched, and seal this town's fate? Fortunately, there are two problems with this role claim: 1). We've already had a cop, Aurenlay. 2). I have a role that sounds very credible. I hate to reveal it, as it's probably the town's last truly useful role, but I don't think I'd be able to convince the town of my innocence otherwise. I am a medical student, and I was told (I'm paraphrasing) that my skills could come in handy in this outing and that I would be informed if my services will be needed. So far they were not (I'm assuming I'm the reserve doc). vote: DIPLOMAT __________________ Confucius say... War doesn't determine who's right. War determines who's left.
beoneknight Biban Posts: 91 (3/8/03 7:46 am)	127 Radwulf... YOU'VE CROSSED THE WRONG TOWN. You ARE NOT a medical student. confirm vote RADWULF.
beoneknight Biban Posts: 92 (3/8/03 8:25 am)	128 We may win this thing after all.... All townies lynch radwulf. I am 99.999% positive that goddess of NIN is also mafia. of the people on diplomats list the only one that does not strike me as mafia is purpledragon. Diplomat, investigate her tonight. That way we will know for sure. But for now, all townies lynch radwulf.
radwulf Admin Posts: 2122 (3/8/03 1:32 pm)	129 Oh wow, how unexpected! Beoneknight is backing up Diplomat, trying to get me killed. The same Beoneknight whom our cop was voting day 1. The same Beoneknight who lurked for a couple of weeks when people started FOSing him. The same Beoneknight who was asking everybody to claim roles hours before the deadline yesterday. I realize now the Mafia will put all of their voting power behind getting me lynched. If they're 4 out of 9 I don't blame them, it's enough for one townie to vote with them and I'm dead. But there is still hope. Beoneknight, would you be so kind as to reveal your own role! You were asking everybody for it at the most unappropriate moments, and there's a lot more incriminating information against you than there is against me. I'm being accused by a self declared cop who could very well be scum trying to end the game with an easy gambit. You on the other hand were accused and voted by a real, proven cop! __________________ Confucius say... War doesn't determine who's right. War determines who's left.
Green Crayons Biban carutzash Posts: 18 (3/8/03 4:52 pm)	130 Why does everyone think that there are four mafia? Most mini mafia games i play, there are only three. However, i could imagine there being a second cop around if there were four mafia.. thus, i'm more attuned to believe the accusation against Radwulf. Vote: Radwulf
radwulf Admin Posts: 2125 (3/8/03 5:23 pm)	131 I strongly recommend to all of you who are not mafia to wait for a role claim from Beoneknight and Needforspeed before making their decission. Greencrayons, your logic is flawed. If we admit that there were 2 competent cops in this game (based on the 1/3 players are mafia argument), why do their results contradict? Why did Aurenlay seem to be sure Beoneknight is mafia and Diplomat declares him innocent???? If we are indeed in the lynch or die land, any mafia can afford to try a Lepton gambit, because they don't have to fear retaliation. The game will end if the gambit succeeds. Look at Diplomat's results: he declares me guilty (although I haven't done anything even remotely suspicious in this game) yet he declares innocent the two players whose behavios was BY FAR the most suspicious: BEONEKNIGHT (voted & accused by a dead cop) and NEEDFORSPEED (whose behavior in this game has been completely irrational). THIS IS NOT A TIME WHEN YOU CAN AFFORD TO VOTE BASED ON THE AUTO-FIRE THEORY. Why? Because there might be no way to punish the incorrect/evil cop tomorrow--the game might end right here, right now! That is why I urge you all to hold on your voting until we get out in the open all the info we can get... ESPECIALLY role claims from BEONEKNIGHT and NEEDFORSPEED. __________________ Confucius say... War doesn't determine who's right. War determines who's left.
beoneknight Biban Posts: 93 (3/8/03 6:25 pm)	132 Ummm Radwulf: you are a CONFIRMED mafia. Unless Someone whom i consider to be a townie will ask me for a role claim, i will not do so. Neither should NFS. The cop accused me on day one, based on flawed logic. So there is not point in trying to avoid anything: lynch is at hand.
beoneknight Biban Posts: 94 (3/8/03 6:55 pm)	133 Diplomat, investigate puple dragon tonight, i dont think she is mafia on that list
radwulf Admin Posts: 2126 (3/8/03 7:13 pm)	134 The cop accused AND voted you on day 1, based on investigative results. She also accused me of being your colleague once she had the impression I'm siding with you. Cops never risk accusing so strongly a person they don't have info about; because they're aware that person will probably be lynched if the cop dies unexpectedly, before having a chance to reveal his info. Aurenlay did not accuse you based on logic Beoneknight. There WAS NO LOGIC against you at that point, which is the very reason I defended you. She accused and voted with the CERTAINTY given by information from the moderator. She accused and voted you because she had found you guilty. And she FOS'ed anybody who seemed to be defending you, because she suspected affiliation with you. __________________ Confucius say... War doesn't determine who's right. War determines who's left. Edited by: radwulf at: 3/8/03 7:13:59 pm
beoneknight Biban Posts: 95 (3/8/03 7:24 pm)	135 *Quote:* Beoneknight, I voted for you because your question seems to be just a big trap to twist whatever people say in an attempt to lynch innocent townies. She did not understand the question, that is the reason why i got voted. The logic for vote is further confirmed in post # 51. I did not want to copy and paste the whole post. She makes it clear that her suspicion of me was based purely on my asking the question. Radwulf, Your attempts to side track us will not succeed. Everyone, vote radwulf.
radwulf Admin Posts: 2127 (3/8/03 7:38 pm)	136 Spare me the scummy rhetoric! There was nothing wrong with the question itself, UNLESS she had good reasons to believe you were Mafia from other sources. She would have at worst FOSed you if all she had against you was logic based on that question. The fact that she loudly denounced you in no uncertain terms, voted you, and FOSed anybody defending you clearly shows she found you guilty. __________________ Confucius say... War doesn't determine who's right. War determines who's left. Edited by: radwulf at: 3/8/03 7:39:17 pm
beoneknight Biban Posts: 96 (3/8/03 10:07 pm)	137 You are either with us (diplomat and I) or you are against us (Radwulf). Townies come together in order for us to win. Here is the list of suspects, in order from most suspicious to least: Radwulf, Goddes of nin, Unicul, green crayons and purple dragon. We will find our mafias in here. For the next two days we have 2 lynches set up: Radwulf and goddess of NIN. If diplomat investigates purple dragon this night the list of unknowns will narrow. I am willing to go along with diplomats logic on NFS and Escaped for now. I doubt NFS is a godfather. So, lets do this. Waiting for the rest of townies to come back and vote.
Plato LeMonjello Biban Posts: 2 (3/8/03 11:09 pm)	138.Am I in this game? I'm confused... -If you got an e-mail from me saying you are,and that you're replacing unicul, then yes you are - Andreea Edited by: andreeahef at: 3/8/03 11:55:16 pm
Diplomat A Biban Posts: 91 (3/8/03 11:44 pm)	138 Radwulf, I'm surprised you didn't try to convince me of the most likely possibility in the case that you're innocent: that I'm an insane cop. If you were really a townie, you probably wouldn't vote for a cop even if he was voting for you. You'd probably try to find out the cause of this accusation instead of voting for the accuser outright. I don't see why there should be only one cop in this group. Even in 5-player live games, there are usually two cops, one normal, one not. If you'll notice, I kept my vote on you the entire day yesterday. The truth is, that was because I had found you guilty, not so much because of the reasons I gave. Does that sound like what a bad guy would do? In addition, it's odd that you've suddently started to follow aurenLay's accusations from the first day. Why didn't you suspect beoneknight yesterday, when you already knew aurenlay's role? Beoneknight, I'm afraid I won't have a chance to tell you my investigation result of purpledragon because I will most likely not survive the night and it doesn't look like we have another doc with us. I had to come out today because of the risk of the town losing and because the list of suspects was quite narrow.
Diplomat A Biban Posts: 92 (3/8/03 11:49 pm)	140 Plato, if you're the one who replaced unicul, then yes, you are in this game.

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