Mini-Mafia 21 Day!!

Yes yes I see what you're all saying, I guess the doc would protect Radwulf, and killing him would be a waste of time. I guess I didn't think the question was really relevant at all, so I didn't put enough thought into it. So I digress, what would you like? You want me to change my answer? Sure, that won't look suspicious (note the sarcasm.) I'm just gonna let the whole question thing go.

But Radwulf and Beoneknight still haven't adressed my question. It seems that the two of them are conspiring together, for these reasons:
1)Both the asker of the renowned question (beoneknight) and Radwulf have pressed for the rest of us to answer, but haven't answered it themselves. I can understand maybe beonknight not answering his own question, but radwulf not answering makes it seem like he's claiming some sort of right to not answer it. This would make sense if he and beoneknight had come up with the question together, in order to trap some mafia, but wait a minute! Only mafia can talk to each other at night...Uh oh.
2) My second reason is the simple fact of how defensive Radwulf was of Beoneknights question, when if he were a townie, he shouldn't know the reasons behind beoneknight asking it, and ought to be a little more suspicious. I've only played one other game with Radwulf, but he seems pretty logical, and to just assume that someone asking such a controversial question is innocent would go against the way I've seen him play in this and other games.

I'll let you all stew over that for a bit...where are green crayons, goddess of nin, and the other missing players?

Author	Comment
Diplomat A Biban Posts: 78 (2/18/03 2:07 am)	41 Beoneknight's question sounded nothing more than a joke to me. And so I answered accordingly. I didn't see how it could possibly trap the mafia. Anyway, let me clarify what I said about danger to confirmed innocents. If someone decides to declare their knowledge of someone else's innocense, there is no danger to that innocent person. If we had 2+ killing parties, on the other hand, the bad guys would prefer to kill a confirmed innocent rather than risk killing the other party. In this game, they already know who's innocent, so it doesn't matter. Radwulf said that the mafia feels tempted to respond boldly to Beoneknight's question, but that doesn't say anything about townies. Both townies and mafia could feel temped to respond like that.
andreeahef Cenzor Ministrul propagandei Posts: 876 (2/18/03 3:30 am)	42. Vote Count StarmanDeluxe (radwulf) Diplomat A (beoneknight, Escaped Convict) beoneknight (aurenlay) Let's be serious for a moment now, do I even LOOK guilty?
aurenLay Biban Posts: 57 (2/18/03 3:36 am)	43. Radwulf you say my insinuation that the question would trap townies is ridculous, and then you go and say I seem suspicious for answering the question. Does anyone else think this is all a little weird??! You're screwed if you answer the question, and screwed if you don't...I'm not lying, I would have killed you first. But I don't see much point in arguing this. I'm not mafia, I happen to think that you are, but I can't vote you because I doubt that anyone would support it...just because it's you. So I vote for beoneknight because the two of you seem to be in on this together, and it seems like the next best thing. [edit]number [/edit] Don't call me baby... Edited by: andreeahef at: 2/18/03 4:51:21 am
radwulf Admin Posts: 1908 (2/18/03 3:59 am)	44 *Quote:* then you go and say I seem suspicious for answering the question. Where did I say you seem suspicious for answering the question? Read my message again. I said you are suspicious because you gave an illogical answer: you said you would kill me if you were mafia, because you fear my experience etc. But surely you'd realize the very reasons that make you fear me would also make doctors out there want to save me. So you wouldn't kill me the first night because that would be tactical error, you'd risk wasting your first night kill if you attacked me--surely you can understand this. Therefore, I find your answer to that question illogical/possibly contrived.
StarmanDeluxeEB Biban Posts: 52 (2/18/03 6:24 am)	45 Ack! Leave me alone! I simply believe that randomly voting can lead to bad, bad things, such as random lynchings. The odds are not in a radom-voter's favor--there are more good roles than bad.
Needforspeed001 Veteran Posts: 124 (2/18/03 6:46 am)	46 Aurenlay, i must say you got off on the wrong foot in this game. wheter it is because you are inexperienced or just bad thinking, Radwulf is correct what he wrote about himself. He is always protected, wether is has a positive or a negative role. He is the most experienced, and yes people will follow what he says, but hey if he is the bad guy in this game, we might be scrued, cause im sure the doc in saving him, as usually. So back to you killing him the first night, that is just not possible, and therefore like Radwulf commented, it would be a waiste of the mafia energy to try, cause they would just waist their night for nothing. But i dont have anything against you. Yes, Starmandeluxe, i believe you are right also in post 45. Random voting may be dangerous, cause even if a person claims whatever role, he may get lynched just because" we have enough peole, well sacrifice one for the town". Unfortunately i have been there myself so i know how it is. once people set their mind on something, it is hard to change their mind... CIAO: Keep the rubber side down. A.K.A. Speeddevil. Be a safe driver!
pupledragon Biban Posts: 18 (2/18/03 7:00 am)	47. I personaly like random voting and the who would you kill question. I would kill BEONEKNIGHT so that you'll spend more time studying instead of playing mafia. As for my random vote, I have no clue who is mafia, so I'll let my magic 8-ball decide. vote: Needforspeed001 [edit]number+ when you votr you gotta not leave spaces between you b's and use [] instead of <> [/edit] Edited by: andreeahef at: 2/18/03 8:15:25 am
Needforspeed001 Veteran Posts: 126 (2/18/03 7:10 am)	48. Ok ther you go . That is a good start. But i must warn you PURPLEDRAGON, i wont claim any role. You may vote me you may lynch me, you may just be sorry,or not. ITs all in the strategy of the game. What kind of decision you have made Smart one or stupid one. I must say in your case Stupid one. Oh yeah, learn how to use bold, and as for your magic 8 -ball, i guess it black magic. VOTE PURPLEDRAGON [edit]number [/edit] CIAO: Keep the rubber side down. A.K.A. Speeddevil. Be a safe driver! Edited by: andreeahef at: 2/18/03 11:15:04 am
pupledragon Biban Posts: 19 (2/18/03 8:49 am)	49 I never said I wanted you to claim a role. Infact I don't a player should say his or her role early in the game, because all it does it tell the mafia who they should kill.
Needforspeed001 Veteran Posts: 133 (2/18/03 5:28 pm)	50 Ok then purpledragon. Then take your vote off me, and il take my v ote off of you as well. CIAO: Keep the rubber side down. A.K.A. Speeddevil. Be a safe driver!
aurenLay Biban Posts: 59 (2/18/03 9:15 pm)	51 Yes yes I see what you're all saying, I guess the doc would protect Radwulf, and killing him would be a waste of time. I guess I didn't think the question was really relevant at all, so I didn't put enough thought into it. So I digress, what would you like? You want me to change my answer? Sure, that won't look suspicious (note the sarcasm.) I'm just gonna let the whole question thing go. But Radwulf and Beoneknight still haven't adressed my question. It seems that the two of them are conspiring together, for these reasons: 1)Both the asker of the renowned question (beoneknight) and Radwulf have pressed for the rest of us to answer, but haven't answered it themselves. I can understand maybe beonknight not answering his own question, but radwulf not answering makes it seem like he's claiming some sort of right to not answer it. This would make sense if he and beoneknight had come up with the question together, in order to trap some mafia, but wait a minute! Only mafia can talk to each other at night...Uh oh. 2) My second reason is the simple fact of how defensive Radwulf was of Beoneknights question, when if he were a townie, he shouldn't know the reasons behind beoneknight asking it, and ought to be a little more suspicious. I've only played one other game with Radwulf, but he seems pretty logical, and to just assume that someone asking such a controversial question is innocent would go against the way I've seen him play in this and other games. I'll let you all stew over that for a bit...where are green crayons, goddess of nin, and the other missing players?
radwulf Admin Posts: 1913 (2/18/03 10:49 pm)	52 *Quote:* Both the asker of the renowned question (beoneknight) and Radwulf have pressed for the rest of us to answer, but haven't answered it themselves. I can understand maybe beonknight not answering his own question, but radwulf not answering makes it seem like he's claiming some sort of right to not answer it. Aurenlay, you are lying! I never pressed anyone to answer that question. And I didn't answer it myself because the question is irrelevant to me. I have no idea whom I would have killed the first time. When mafia I always let my colleagues choose the victim, sometimes I tell them to pick someone else if they choose somebody who has recently died first night in another game. *Quote:* My second reason is the simple fact of how defensive Radwulf was of Beoneknight's question, when if he were a townie, he shouldn't know the reasons behind beoneknight asking it, and ought to be a little more suspicious. Ok, timeout! Have you read my posts in this game Aurenlay? I AM the inventor of the infernal question, so I know exactly what the question is supposed to do: IT IS SUPPOSED TO TRAP MAFIA NOT TOWNIES, AND IT DID SO ALMOST EVERY SINGLE TIME I'VE USED IT IN A LIVE MAFIA GAME! Capisci? I don't think it's as useful in a bulletin board game, I don't think anyone is forced to answer it, I wouldn't have cared if you didn't answer the question, I'm not assuming Beoneknight is innocent because he asked it, I don't believe Beoneknight is suspicious for asking it. All I'm claiming regarding the question is this: you and Diplomat have answered the question in a suspicious manner. unvote: STARMANDELUXE vote: AURENLAY
Diplomat A Biban Posts: 79 (2/19/03 2:09 am)	53 Radwulf: *Quote:* I don't think it's as useful in a bulletin board game, I don't think anyone is forced to answer it, <snip> All I'm claiming regarding the question is this: you and Diplomat have answered the question in a suspicious manner. I'm not sure this makes sense. You say you don't think the question is useful in this game, but at the same time you claim that some people have answered it suspiciously. Why would it matter how we answered the question if it doesn't help in trapping the mafia anyway? Shouldn't we just dismiss it?
radwulf Admin Posts: 1917 (2/19/03 2:18 am)	54 Don't misquote me Diplomat! I said it is not AS useful as it is in a live mafia game, not that it's completely useless. The fact remains, some people decided to answer it, and they answered it in a suspicious manner.
Green Crayons Biban carutzash Posts: 13 (2/20/03 5:49 am)	55 Ah, i didn't realize the day had started. And so much discussion. I would like to point out, since Radwulf is the most distinguished player on the field, not only did he probably attract doctor attention, but also cop attention as well. I dont see any cop coming out to denounce him (though i wouldnt expect any cop to come out on day one, period, regardless of the investigation result, to check his/her sanity), but if by day two or three we dont have a cop saying that Radwulf is evil, we can probably check him under the "all but confirmed" innocent list. However, that doesn't make me a mindless sheep. Vote: NeedforSpeed, particularily for his "you unvote me, i'll unvote you" comment. Just seems off to me.
Needforspeed001 Veteran Posts: 135 (2/20/03 6:27 am)	56 Green crayons, i suggest you take your vote off of me. Better think straight before you think that my sentece sounded off to you!!! Dont be a fool, investigate first, then vote Capish? FOS Green crayons, for not realizing that the day started over 2 days ago. Very unatentive. CIAO: Keep the rubber side down. A.K.A. Speeddevil. Be a safe driver!
Needforspeed001 Veteran Posts: 137 (2/20/03 6:50 am)	57 furthermore, i have nothing against purpledragon, but since the bandwagoning started, that is the reason for my votere. Therefore like i said if the vote is taken off, so will i take my vote back. So anymore questions? Let me tell you this much. Many players have may ways of posting, including this way, which may seem agressive perhaps, but hey, we are all individuals, with individual minds right? there you go, you just have to deal with my personality in this particular game. If you have a problem with the way i post, just let me know, but i assure you nothing will change. This is me. CIAO: Keep the rubber side down. A.K.A. Speeddevil. Be a safe driver!
andreeahef Cenzor Ministrul propagandei Posts: 912 (2/20/03 9:58 pm)	58. Vote Count Diplomat A (Escaped Convict) Needforspeed001 (purpledragon, greencrayons) aurenlay (radwulf) beoneknight (aurenlay) purpledragon (Needforspeed001) Since this game is now basically stopping, I'm gonna give you two more days, from this post! Let's be serious for a moment now, do I even LOOK guilty? Edited by: andreeahef at: 2/20/03 11:22:11 pm
Green Crayons Biban carutzash Posts: 14 (2/20/03 10:31 pm)	59 *Quote:* Dont be a fool, investigate first, then vote Capish? Uhm.. if you mean "investigate" by a night choice, hunh? I'm not a cop. If you mean to "investigate" through sifting through the posts, you still seem to be the most suspicious - simply because you're seemingly "freaking out" (i dont see anything aggressive) over getting votes.
Diplomat A Biban Posts: 81 (2/21/03 11:04 pm)	60 May I ask, why are people still voting for me? Isn't it clear I was just joking when I said whom I would kill? I thought the votes for me were not serious either. There are currently people more suspicious than me, IMO.

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