I wonder sometimes

"X Zack X, do you believe that water baptism is necessary for salvation?"

No....and Yes.....

See I don't see the world Black and white
There are some gray areas

Let me ask you this
People in a isolated place NEVER
i mean NEVER heard about Christ
die...will the go to hell?
They believe in ONE God
and such
but are never baptised
Will they go to hell?

I don't go to an ICOC.

about Baptisim let me as you this

What if your a true 100% christian
you pray with all you heart
you love God
you read your bible often
you go to church whenever your able
(fellowship remember Church isn't a building it's people)
BUT you can't be baptised because your parents WON'T Let you and you know if you get baptised behind there back they'll keep you from going to church reading the bible
so you don't
you then die- will you go to Heave or hell?

While this other person was baptised
but parties all the time Likes God but not really loves him
Reads the bible ONCE in his life
Prays hardly ever if ever
he dies
will he go to heave because hes baptised?

So says me X ZackX Aim:ZaWerKae

Author	Comment
X Zack X Private First Class Posts: 29 (9/17/02 3:39 pm) Reply	I wonder sometimes Let me get this stright? Okay how many of you been here for a long time? okay well how many of you introduce yourself as you do to Nuhere? He single him out, you do greet everyone as you do Nuhere? Is it wrong that you did it like that? No of coarse not but it's wrong you don't want to get to know your Christian brother or sister? I would say so I have a question for ALL of you Hi I was wondering what denomination are you? My name is Zack and yours is? So says me X ZackX Aim:ZaWerKae
NUHERE Master Sergeant Posts: 375 (9/17/02 3:54 pm) Reply	wonder Zack "Hi I was wondering what denomination are you?" Presently I am a Presbyterian/ Methodist(combined church). Not only that I was a deacon for two terms and and elder for one. I have served as head of "building and grounds" and was head of the committee to install a new interim pastor which was a very successful endeavor considering our small church.
X Zack X Private First Class Posts: 31 (9/17/02 4:39 pm) Reply	Re: wonder Awesome I guess I'll answer my own question I attend a Church of Christ Denomination it uses Insterments(sp?) compaired to the noninsturmental(sp?) So says me X ZackX Aim:ZaWerKae
RshScks Master Sergeant Posts: 398 (9/17/02 7:56 pm) Reply	Re: wonder So you are not an atheist Nuhere? I am so confused right now. However my name is Jon, I was raised a baptist, but consider myself to be a christian now, no denomination. "The principle runs through all life from top to bottom. Give up yourself, and you will find your real self. Lose your life and you will save it. Submit to death, death of your ambitions and favorite wishes everyday and death of your whole body in the end: submit with every fiber of your being, and you will find enternal life. Keep back nothing. Nothing that you have not given away will ever really be yours. Nothing in you that has not died will ever be raised from the dead. Look for yourself, and you will find in the long run only hatred, loneliness, despair, rage, ruin, and decay. But look for Christ and you will find Him, and with Him everything else thrown in." -C.S. Lewis "Mere Christianity"
X Zack X Private First Class Posts: 32 (9/17/02 8:07 pm) Reply	Re: wonder Yeah i too consider myself to be a Christian but I attend a Church of Christ church And what if Nuhere is a Christian? Is that so wrong? So says me X ZackX Aim:ZaWerKae
RshScks Master Sergeant Posts: 399 (9/18/02 7:23 am) Reply	Re: wonder No nothing wrong with it all, but most christians I know do not go around bashing others. Even if he was trying to get us to think about the Lord, that is the wrong way to go about it in my opinion, cause all it lead to was negative feelings, and emotions. "The principle runs through all life from top to bottom. Give up yourself, and you will find your real self. Lose your life and you will save it. Submit to death, death of your ambitions and favorite wishes everyday and death of your whole body in the end: submit with every fiber of your being, and you will find enternal life. Keep back nothing. Nothing that you have not given away will ever really be yours. Nothing in you that has not died will ever be raised from the dead. Look for yourself, and you will find in the long run only hatred, loneliness, despair, rage, ruin, and decay. But look for Christ and you will find Him, and with Him everything else thrown in." -C.S. Lewis "Mere Christianity"
Kaze9999 friend Posts: 903 (9/18/02 12:08 pm) Reply	Re: wonder I attend the Vineyard. Technically, they do not have "memberships", and I have been attending for 12 years. I have been a Christian for 28 years. I was raised in the Nazarene denomination of Protestant Christianity. X Zack X, I am familiar with two "types" of Church of Christ. One has been around a couple of hundred of years, and is pretty "normal" except that it is not too sure about the use of instruments in worship. The other started up during the 70's and tends to belive that there should only be one per city ("Boston Church of Christ", "Miami Church of Christ", etc.) along with a bunch of other things that are very different from the "original" Church of Christ denomination. I have heard this second type also called, "The Boston Movement". Which type are you? Eric --------------Just a signature------------------------ Genesis {33:19} He said, "I will make all my goodness pass before you, and will proclaim the name of Yahweh before you. I will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will show mercy on whom I will show mercy." Romans {9:20} But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed ask him who formed it, "Why did you make me like this?" {9:21} Or hasn't the potter a right over the clay, from the same lump to make one part a vessel for honor, and another for dishonor? Steven Brust {Phoenix} A god is someone who isn't bound by natural laws, and who can morally commit an action which would be immoral for someone who wasn't a god. Edited by: Kaze9999 at: 9/18/02 12:13:20 pm
Unfallen Angel Lance Corporal Posts: 76 (9/18/02 1:14 pm) Reply	Re: wonder "Presently I am a Presbyterian/ Methodist(combined church). Not only that I was a deacon for two terms and and elder for one. I have served as head of "building and grounds" and was head of the committee to install a new interim pastor which was a very successful endeavor considering our small church." - - Nuhere Does anyone else see a problem here?
Dualhunter Sergeant Major Posts: 420 (9/18/02 4:05 pm) Reply	Re: wonder "Does anyone else see a problem here?" Yes, people who don't believe Jesus existed can hardly be called Christians. Going to church does not make a person a Christian anymore than going to McDonalds makes a person turn into a Big Mac. The Boston Church of Christ broke away from the mainline Church of Christ. The International Churches of Christ (ICC) is the same group that started with the Boston Church of Christ. The two groups have a lot in common but the ICC is much worse. X Zack X, do you believe that water baptism is necessary for salvation?
RedClaw Posts: 1503 (9/18/02 7:22 pm) Reply	Re: wonder Considering the feirce debate we just had, I'm surprised to hear you're Presbyterian/Methodist Nuhere....that and the fact that you don't believe Christ ever existed...I'm confused, please explain. RedClaw/JJ What Would Jesus Do? Member of -=DoS-United=- "StarCraft is fun" - me
X Zack X Private First Class Posts: 33 (9/18/02 10:28 pm) Reply	Re: wonder HELLO This is NOT I repete NOT another Thread about NUHERE It's about YOUR Beliefs? Yet again YOU ALL seem to be missing the TRUE question and runing from it not Nuhere So I REPETE Please Keep to the Topic and the Topic only if you want another thread about Nuhere MAKE it don't use this one for it! So says me X ZackX Aim:ZaWerKae
X Zack X Private First Class Posts: 34 (9/18/02 10:36 pm) Reply	Re: wonder "X Zack X, do you believe that water baptism is necessary for salvation?" No....and Yes..... See I don't see the world Black and white There are some gray areas Let me ask you this People in a isolated place NEVER i mean NEVER heard about Christ die...will the go to hell? They believe in ONE God and such but are never baptised Will they go to hell? I don't go to an ICOC. about Baptisim let me as you this What if your a true 100% christian you pray with all you heart you love God you read your bible often you go to church whenever your able (fellowship remember Church isn't a building it's people) BUT you can't be baptised because your parents WON'T Let you and you know if you get baptised behind there back they'll keep you from going to church reading the bible so you don't you then die- will you go to Heave or hell? While this other person was baptised but parties all the time Likes God but not really loves him Reads the bible ONCE in his life Prays hardly ever if ever he dies will he go to heave because hes baptised? So says me X ZackX Aim:ZaWerKae
RshScks Master Sergeant Posts: 400 (9/19/02 7:25 am) Reply	Re: wonder Did either one of those people accept Jesus into their hearts and their lord and savior, cause that is the most important part. You can love God all you want, which is a great thing, but if you do not believe that he gave Jesus to us to die for our sins, and then was resurrected again, if you do not not accept Jesus, than Baptism and all that other stuff is just for show. I believe Baptism shows you love and dedication to Christ, and if you do not do I think you still go to heaven. As for the guy who nevers hears about Jesus, I have no clue if he will or will not go, that is not my decesion to make, leave that up to God. Another thing about the two guys you have described, both of them are equal in Gods eyes, they both sin all the time, and are horrible sinners. "The principle runs through all life from top to bottom. Give up yourself, and you will find your real self. Lose your life and you will save it. Submit to death, death of your ambitions and favorite wishes everyday and death of your whole body in the end: submit with every fiber of your being, and you will find enternal life. Keep back nothing. Nothing that you have not given away will ever really be yours. Nothing in you that has not died will ever be raised from the dead. Look for yourself, and you will find in the long run only hatred, loneliness, despair, rage, ruin, and decay. But look for Christ and you will find Him, and with Him everything else thrown in." -C.S. Lewis "Mere Christianity"
X Zack X Private First Class Posts: 35 (9/19/02 11:11 am) Reply	Re: wonder People sometimes see the world black and white when the world is full of colors 1. the first senerio is a girl two of them actually they cannot be baptised because there parents won't allow it to happen (In other words not untill there 1 2. I've had many talks with them about God and everything and they're very amazing kids I mean I love have conversations with them they encourge me 3. I'm NOT talking about people who have the chance to be baptised, I AM talking about people who cannot be baptised because of some circumstance So says me X ZackX Aim:ZaWerKae
NUHERE Master Sergeant Posts: 382 (9/20/02 3:50 pm) Reply	wonder Zack Considering that baptism was practiced Pre Christianity and by pagans as well to accomplish similar goals why is baptism so important? Christians didn't introduce the practice but borrowed it from others. Is it really significant?
X Zack X Private First Class Posts: 36 (9/20/02 3:57 pm) Reply	Re: wonder 1. it's a public statement saying Here I am Christ I am yours 2. We are commanded in the bible to do so but there's also talking about being baptised by the holy spirit and such 3. i feel tired some i'm going to walk to sub way now and talk to a friend well bye bye So says me X ZackX Aim:ZaWerKae
Dualhunter Sergeant Major Posts: 421 (9/21/02 1:07 pm) Reply	Re: wonder Baptism is an outward sign of an inward reality. It symbolizes a believers death to sign and being raise in Christ.
spaceman spiff Protector of Earth Posts: 2637 (9/21/02 8:40 pm) Reply	Ok...what the... Nuhere.....your baptist/presbytiaran, but you're not Christian? But...wait...umm....uhh... /me is confused
X Zack X Private First Class Posts: 37 (9/21/02 10:17 pm) Reply	Re: Ok...what the... 1. He attends Presbyterian/ Methodist 2. He never said he wasn't a Christian (from my understanding) 3. MAKE ANOTHER THREAD IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT NUHERE, OKAY OKAY! I know I seem angry but I'm not really just upset that he's always the focus on these Threads that was Not I REPETE NOT the intention of this thread You guys aren't even answering the question and Nuhere no hard feelings or anything but I just didn't want this to be another Nuhere thread....okay? So says me X ZackX Aim:ZaWerKae
RedClaw Posts: 1527 (9/21/02 11:54 pm) Reply	Re: Ok...what the... "He never said he wasn't a Christian (from my understanding)" He has been hammering in atheist doctrine for the past little while, and he wont back down from his claim Christ never existed. You have to at least believe Christ existed to be a Christian, which is why everyone is so confused. RedClaw/JJ What Would Jesus Do? Member of -=DoS-United=- "StarCraft is fun" - me Edited by: RedClaw at: 9/21/02 11:54:45 pm
X Zack X Private First Class Posts: 38 (9/22/02 12:01 am) Reply	Re: Ok...what the... How do you know he really believes that? Maybe hes trying to get you guys to color outside of the lines I don't know but Lets stop talking about this and go to the MAIN topic "What Church(denomination) do you belong to? So says me X ZackX Aim:ZaWerKae

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