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Saagkri
Private First Class (9/11/00 11:53 am) Reply |
What do you guys think about non-christians... What do you guys think about obvious non-christians comming here and arguing with us about our religion?Show results |
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UnworthyOne
Civilian (9/11/00 1:38 pm) Reply |
Re: What do you guys think about non-christians...
i believe deep down everyone wants to come to Christ, even if they cuss at us or say God doesn't exist or don't even agree with God and Jesus, deep down they want to become part of his family, they don't want to be left out, to be left alone in life, they want someone to be with them through their hard times, through times of danger, its every christian's job to spread the word, to help others join the great family.
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czubin 
 (9/11/00 1:55 pm) Reply |
hmmm my father is not christian butt my mother is christian |
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UnworthyOne
Civilian (9/11/00 2:24 pm) Reply |
Re: hmmm i'm the only active christian in my family |
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UnworthyOne
Civilian (9/11/00 4:16 pm) Reply |
Re: hmmm well, my mom was big with christianity back when she was a little girl but now she has forgotten about it, i try and tell her bout it, i mean she knows what i'm trying to tell her but she doesn'treally want me to bother saying it, she supports me but not herself, its her choice cause she just won't listen to me or err try not to |
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runnfox 
Sergeant (9/11/00 4:34 pm) Reply |
Unworthyone Hang in there! Sometimes the best thing you can do in a situation like that is pray and be an example of Gods love. Christ said all those that come unto me I will in no wise cast out and no on can pluck them out of my hand. So dont loose heart even when some one seams to forget about God, He still remembers them. 
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Xaris 
Corporal (9/11/00 6:03 pm) Reply |
Re: What do you guys think about non-christians... Whatever your opinion, when I actually converse with non-believers, I stay a million miles away from mentioning "deep down" stuff. It sounds way too much like the Freudian argument that says "Your denial of the need for therapy just shows how much you are repressed." Any intelligent person will pick up on it and think you are talking down to them and you will end up chasing them off and blowing your chance to witness. |
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UnworthyOne
Civilian (9/11/00 7:06 pm) Reply |
Re: What do you guys think about non-christians... i know what you mean by chase off, its happened to me before |
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WildFlames
 (9/11/00 7:36 pm) Reply |
I DisagreeI Disagree...This might sound harsh, but I would have to disagree here. I don't believe that the heart of man is to love God, I don't think that people naturally all want to find and follow God. If that was true, then why would people (Satanists) offer other people up to the devil? (I know it's sick and illegal, but it does happen) Or why would the Romans burn thousands of Christians alive, if they all wanted to follow God at their heart? Even the Bible makes this point quite clear in Jeremiah 17:9.... “The heart is deceitful above all things, I know all this sounds harsh, but it still is true. That makes the fact that Christ would save us even so much the more......beautiful. 
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WildFlames
(9/11/00 8:12 pm) Reply |
Re: I DisagreeBTWBtw, I forgot something. What I just said in the last post makes it even a greater urgency to witness to and pray for your parents. I am going to (and I think that FKoC should do the same) be praying for your parents, it takes a miricle to save, and only God can save someone, it's our job to share and pray.
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rogueleader antilles 
 (9/11/00 8:43 pm) Reply |
Re: I Disagree I'm not sure about that. I mean sure many people do stuff that are terrible, however I think they are merely looking for the meaning of everything. I don't know of anyone who isn't curious of how things came to be and all. I mean why else are there so many religions and theories about how things came to be. The answer many people are looking to include an all powerful being. All over the planet many people who have not heard of the gospel come up with religions so similar to ours it's amazing. I think that God put in man a wanting to know him. Maybe not directly but he could use curiosity to get people to him. I think that these people coming here are coming here for a reason. God wanted them here. Whether or not it was for them to accept God eventually I will never know but I think many are here because God wants them here so we can witness to them. Deep down God places in them a curiosity which they come here looking for some answers to. Of course I know many people that come here posting all this bad stuff, trying to prove us wrong, are not looking for God, to their knowledge at least. But I personally believe the majority are. Some people at my church said they used to do that very sort of stuff because deep down God gave them an urge to do so. And now these people are christians. So in reallity I'd say both are right but you can't say they're not looking. I think everyone is looking for God but many just are content with close imitations, some aren't ready yet and some just can't give up their lifestyles. But this doesn't mean they don't come here for a reason. Everything that happens is according to Gods plan. |
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rogueleader antilles
(9/11/00 8:47 pm) Reply |
Re: I Disagree
As for Satanist people I think they were born with and still have a inner need to obey God they just cover it up. I mean, can you honestly say these people will never believe in God? No Way!! People like them have come to believe God in the past. It's in them, but the thing is whether they will listen to this urge or push it aside. I don't know if this is a good example but take homosexuality. People aren't born with these feelings unless it's a birth defect with messed up hormones. But yet how many people are homosexual? Quite a few. They are going against God despite the natural feelings to opposite sex.
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david75 
 (9/11/00 9:51 pm) Reply |
Re: What do you guys think about non-christians... Man, i love this guild. I really like how ya'll are open and talk about spiritual issues in this forum. And do i have some stories to share about witnessing but since i spend two or more hours playing Starcraft with Runnfox, Sob Wan, CorpFox, Beta, Jastar and ... i forgot, i dont have enough time to put up a good reply. c-ya! |
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RshScks 
Private First Class (9/11/00 10:12 pm) Reply |
IMHO I believe everyone in someway is searching for something, and that is why some people turn to satanism, cause it seems to make the most sense, cause all they see around them in a corrupt world is Hate, Violence, and suffering. That is why I believe it is crucial to let them see there is other things in this world then hate. That is us. We need to show them that life can be a very fulfilling thing, and show them that a lot of people care for each other. So I believe deep down everyone is searching for answers to questions that are not easily answered, so it is our job to witness to them. |
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spaceman spiff 
First Sergeant (9/11/00 11:17 pm) Reply |
Re: IMHO Let's all pray for the non-believers. I hope to be seeing the majority of the world's population in heaven when the world ends.
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Master Xefinacer 
 Posts: 96 (9/13/00 7:32 am) Reply |
Re: IMHO Remember that it says in Scripture, there is no one who seeks God, no not one. All have sinned and fall short of God's glory. In Genesis says that the heart of man is full of evil desire from youth. The Biblical perspective on this is that humankind is in a fallen state, where we don't realize right away that we are in need of any kind of saving. Until one realizes where one is, does one feel a need or begin seeking. Some people come to this realization and begin seeking early...others much later. Some never do. I'm in campus ministry folks, and that includes witnessing and evanglesim. We're all about saving the lost in this group. And the things of which I have written above are all that which our campus ministry here at Indiana University have encountered.
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Simryd
Private First Class Posts: 50 (9/13/00 2:11 pm) Reply |
Re: IMHO Hey Xef... as a minister at I.U., perhaps you can tell us if there is any hope for Bobby Knight? If anyone, he seems to be in need of some saving. Or maybe just some valium, hehe.But, let me contemplate the post which started this thread... what do I think of non-Christians? hmmm... All this stuff about loving the sinner, hating the sin is missing the point. I'm gonna have to agree with the medieval Christians -- let's burn the heathens. If we just kill them all, we won't have to think about them anymore!! The Puritans had the right idea with the witch trials. The crusades were a good idea too. The slaughter of the Native Americans kept it going nicely. Oh, and the enslavement of dark-skinned peoples was a nice touch along the way. And now, of course, we coerce primitive cultures into abandoning their native spirituality, by offering them the material luxuries of the industrialized world ONLY if they'll convert (missionary work). So, from history, I can see that we're supposed to kill and subjugate non-Christians. And, from the present, I see that we should bribe primitive people to believe what we do by dangling a materialistic carrot in front of their faces. So, I suppose that I think of non-Christians as inferior people who need... help. Heh. Sorry guys, but I couldn't pass this one up. I just really, really, really, really hope that you don't forget the negative sides of organized religion and, yes, faith. I don't say this to try to pull you away from your faith, but merely so that you keep your eyes open to all the strange and sometimes ugly faces of truth. Sometimes the truth can hurt. Some things done through a sincere feeling of "faith" are truly, truly, evil. Some "religious" things done through the auspices of faith are, indeed, not borne of faith. I realize that none of you are like this, so I'm probably preaching to the choir. I'm just trying to continue my tradition of being the perpetual devil's advocate. Peace. -Sim |
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Reject 
 Posts: 359 (9/13/00 6:40 pm) Reply |
Re: IMHO Well I was going to comment on your Gun stuff but I found this first, o well :) First off, you've never worked with missionaries have you? I have, and they do not dangle a carrot(so to say) in front of their faces, they help, and I don't mean as long as you convert. They bring in relief supplies when hurricanes strike and stuff like that, they also provide much needed medical relief. (I Help the missionaries over in haiti and dominican republic so I know what they bring and what they do,). And the missionaries can't really dangle any type of carrot, because they don't have the nice stuff that me and you are used, yeah sure its nicer than the stuff you find in the slums of haiti, but they are not rich. So I'd suggest you study the missions field a little better. Now I'm assuming you probably get this "dangling of a carrot" idea from the early missions of the Catholic Church, I'd have to probably agree with you on some the early ones, especially the ones of the Jesuit people(I don't know the correct name, just the name they got). But anyways, thats not how missions are done now a days(alot missionaries risk their lives going into some countries) Ok now for the Crusades, you didn't research that too well either. Now in the beginning they started out to destory the muslims, but not the reason your thinking(ok just a little on the reason your thinking:) they did it, because the muslims were attacking the Chrisitans over in that area, (I do not remember what the empire was but it was the remnits of the Roman empire, when they moved the capital). But along the way, the Kings that set out to stop the Muslims, basically changed their minds, and decided to loot and pilage instead.(Also they were trying to stop the muslims from invading Eastern Europe) Now lets talk about the witch trials, I'd like to say that they were pretty screwed up, and so I'm not going to defend them or anything(as of yet, because I haven't studied them) Now my question to you. You seem to think that Christians are the ones out to conquer the world, but from what I can understand its the Muslims that kill and conquer. First lets talk about acient history, when the muslims captured(or began to capture) india, which is a hindu(or buddist I forget which, maybe both?) they didn't particually persucute the Hindus but they did say, that if your not a muslim you have to pay huge taxes(and if you were a muslim there were no taxes) and I believe there were alot of other penalities that I don't feel like looking for. Now thats just a small portion of the acient history, I'm going to ignore the rest(for now). Lets talk about present day, first can you tell me what would happen if a Christian went into one of the Muslim country? They would be killed. Also who trys to basically kill anyone that is Jewish or a Christian? and are normally the terrorists? And thats all I have to say for now, back to school for me
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Xaris
 Posts: 109 (9/13/00 6:49 pm) Reply |
Re: IMHO Well I gotta elaborate here. Everyone of your historical examples (Crusades, slavery, slaughter of American Indians) can be attributed better to political/economic reasons. Religion was simply one of the justifications. In all likelihood the folks involved would have found another justification just as easily. The Puritans example is the closest thing to religion causing unpleasant behavior, but not really. The problem here is a lack of knowledge, not a moral failure. If there really were people who struck people down with black magic, we (even non-christians) would require little religious justification to hunt them mercilessly the way we hunt down a serial killer. To paraphrase C.S. Lewis: It may be a great advance in knowledge not to believe in witches, but there is no moral advancement. Evil comes from our sinful nature, and we will pervert good things to achieve it. (Remember Satan quoted Scripture when tempting Jesus.) So excellent post because it demonstrates the knowledge of Sin. The first step to the Good News. |
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RshScks
Private First Class Posts: 47 (9/13/00 8:26 pm) Reply |
Here is my 2 cents As far as the muslim thing goes, they have a thing called jihad, it is considered the 6th pillar of there faith by some. It tells them that they must try to convert as many people to the Islamic religion as they can, sometimes it is violent sometimes it is not. Islam has alot of the same beliefs as christianity, they even think of Jesus as a prophet, and Christians and Muslims do not get together well cause we both believe our religions to be right. As far as the Salem witch trials, and the crusades go, the reason people did that is out of fear, they were told they will suffer in hell if they did not listen to the Holymen, and most of them did, cause illetracy was high back then. |
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Sir Seiken
Private Posts: 9 (9/13/00 8:28 pm) Reply |
Re: Here is my 2 cents My Mom and Dad take me to church every sunday i guess we're active |
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