new standing rigging
In the process of making an offer on a Nic 31 and trying to get a sense of what I am going to have to spend once I get it. As soon as I own it I will be eligible to join, and will but at this point I can only be a visitor. I may be back with several questions as I go along but I am excited about the 31. The standing rigging is original and should probably just be replaced. Any thoughts on cost or dimensions I can take to a rigger for cost estimates. Anything else specific to the 31 I should be looking for other than the blistering? Bob V.
Re: Andy
I replaced my standing rigging Jan 05 £1262 this included mast removal and refit, new wire for tri light,deck light,steaming light,new mast boot new vhf ariel and cable.
Re: Andy
bobv
I had all standing rigging replaced over winter (2004-2005) at Contest Yachts service yard in Holland, and it came to 1592 euros and included all new Hasselfors turnbuckles pins etc.. As the boat was stored out of the water, indoors, the mast came out as a part of the storage costs.
Re: Andy
Thank you both for your comments. She surveyed well with apparently only the need for some work at the base of the backstay. Not so bad. All stuff you expect to deal with when you buy a used vessel. My major concern at this point is trying to figure out what to do with the blisters in the water tank. We will close on her next week. Very exciting.
aahshowa
Unregistered User
(7/12/05 11:28 pm) Reply
Rigging
Hi Bob, If you replace the standing rigging, you might consider upgrading to larger sized wire if you are going to cruise in a hurricane area. Annette
Re: Rigging
Or 'Dyform'...same diam. but stronger.
missailor
Unregistered User
(8/12/05 5:15 pm) Reply
Blisters
Had a bottom job done for blisters last year on my 1976 Nicolson for 5K U.S. I thought this price was expensive. Oasis Boatyard in St. Augustine used the West Epoxy System. I replaced her seacocks as well. I bought the Blake's from Defender Industries. Also, I took off her topsides paint - and filled in her age cracks. There were many cracks located just under her toe rail. Kristine is now primed with AWLGRP 545, and topsides ready to paint - finally!! Let's hope FL gets some sunshine next week. Since I did my own prep work, the yard will AWLGRP her for $800 U.S. Her gelcoat color was a yellowish custard (under the chalky jade-green paint the last owner had on her). I liked her original gelcoat color - light and cool for FL summers, found San Mateo Wheat by AWLGRP to be not far off her original color. After spending a day mixing AWLGRP - to try and match her gelcoat color - I nixed that idea. The remaining question is whether to make her boot & cove stripes navy blue or kelly green....
I love my Nic31!!! Judy
Re:Awlgrip Paint Colors
Judy, BEWARE ! My boat, 'Blueprint' has a custom awlgrip ( US Paints ) color,...roughly 2 parts 'Flag Blue' and 1 part a brilliant red color that I cant remember the awlgrip name for. (Flag Blue was just too cool,-too much black in it.) These two were mixed by my painter,by hand, and it was gorgeous. The 'formula' was submitted to US Paints. They came back to us saying that it wasn't that simple, that you should not ,-could not- just box colors of their paints like that because of chemical differences ...blah, blah,blah. They wouldn't guarantee their paint product mixed that way. We went thru 3 or 4 trial submissions from them before they got the chemistry/color to match our control sample. Part of the problem, it turned out, had to do with the color temperature of the lighting (flourescent) they were using to achieve a match. We finally got the right color ( officially 'Blueprint Blue') but it was a real struggle. Check out any sample submisson from them,if you do go the custom color route , alongside yours under flourescent lighting. Take care and Good luck. Cheers.
Bill.
PS, Spell Check still is not working on this site!
PPS, If there is any yellow in the San Mateo Wheat I think I'd go with the green striping.
Edited by: blueprintbill at: 9/12/05 8:20 am
MisSailor
Unregistered User
(10/12/05 1:46 pm) Reply
Boat Paint
Blueprint Bill - Thank you for the reply. I called AWLGRP in the U.S. and talked to their "Master Painter" before I tried the crazy idea of becoming a chemist and trying to match the gelcoat color. The AWLGRP representative was very helpful. He said mixing the paint I intended to use was not a problem. I purchased the AWLGRP Polyester Urethane Topcoat Base. I had a simple kitchen scale and measured by weight. I used his recommended formula - but it wasn't close. I tried a few variations, with no luck. With the cost of AWLGRP being very high, one has limited creative options. That was when I went back to the AWLGRP color chart & rethought the process. I found a gallon of San Mateo Wheat paint in a used chandlery. I didn't keep that particular paint as the can was old, but I did "swatch" a small amount on my hull & decided it was close enough and far easier to buy paint already mixed! Thank you for the vote on green boot & cove stripes. I'll send in a pic when Kristine is done. Fairing and priming my own boat has been a huge job. For anyone entertaining this thought in the future, my recommendation is to let a boat yard do the work. The original yard quote was 5K U.S. Cheers, Judy
Re: Boat Paint
Judy, Wow I'm impressed with you doing this job yourself! Congrats. I know that this is where all the work is, and it is a lot. Are you going to spray her yourself? Looking forward to the photos, and maybe seeing her in the flesh...so to speak. Hope to be in Florida in spring 2007, maybe we should put together our own Nic 31 rendevouz. Cheers, Bill
standing rigging
Hi,
Just re-did my own standing rigging for the 2nd time in 12 years while in Trinidad using 316 stainless wire ( for anti corrosive properties while in the tropics) and Norseman Terminals. You can do the rigging yourself if you are careful, follow instructions for Norsemans or Sta Locks, etc. Take your time. Total costs much less than having a rigging shop do the same job and results are great.
Re: standing rigging
Reading all your contributions, I am getting the impression that a new standing rigging is a "must" after a number of years. It looks like mine is quite old (maybe original) but with no sign of corrosion or cracking whatsoever (I took the mast down in december).
I had a complete survey in order to get the required documentation for a flag change and the surveyor does not think that changing the standing rigging is a requirement at all.
If a had to change, I would go for the new Hi-Mod terminals.
What are your thoughts?
rigging
Useful lifetime of standing rigging is a matter of climate, age, use, etc. Down here in the tropics, they say 7-10 years max. The Hi Mod fittings look interesting. One thing that puzzles me is that you do not fill them with a sealant before tightening. What keeps water from pooling in the lower end fittings and possibly starts crevice corrosion?
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